expelled for academic dishonesty

[cummings 41]

If a person gets expelled from a nursing program for academic dishonesty, what are the chances fo being accepted into another program. The teacher saw a cell phone on th desk but the screen was locked and blank after passing by she came back and asked the student to open the phone and it showed the student had opened the browser with information for notes relatd to the test.

[0402]

So if a 20 yr old student and a 40 yr old student are both in the same nursing program, the 20 yr old's cheating should be overlooked/ rehabilitated, but the 40 yr old, knowing their brain chemistry is different, is SOL? If they're mature enough to be in a nursing program where they are going to be responsible for the lives of other human beings when they are done, they are mature enough not to cheat.

[dudette10, MSN, RN]

I believe the point that Emily was trying to make ( and she can stop me if I'm wrong) is that the brain chemistry in young adults that makes them make rash decisions and not plan long term is *normal* not abnormal. I don't think she was trying to say the student in question was dysfunctional, only not considering the outcome of a stupid decision.

I understand the concept of rash decisions and lack of long-term planning in young people. I get that.

What I don't get is when a student handbook says "cheat=dismissal," and it is not understood. To apply the developmental stage of emerging adults to cheating is disingenuous.

[That Guy, BSN, RN, EMT-B]

sorry at that point the risk vs reward is well established. as are consequences for their actions. at this point we know cheating is wrong, the syllabus describes it and yet they blatantly disregarded it to try to get ahead. Call it rash decisions or lack of long term planning if you want. but that is clearly not the case.

[emilyBABSNRN]

Let's spell it out in black and white. No one ever said that this person should not be punished. Nor did we say it was excusable or the freak cause of some molecular interaction between chemical mediators. Yes it was lack of long-term planning. No one plans to ruin their academic career. They just get desperate. Doesn't make them a criminal.

[melmarie23, MSN, RN]

This thread has jumped shark a bit eh?

Brain chemistry aside, its a well known fact that cheating is going to result in some fairly heavy consequences. Its pretty universal. if one is not mature enough to keep their impulsive tendencies in check, then perhaps higher edu, or a perfessional career in general, should be put off for a later time when one can exercise a bit of self control.

[dudette10, MSN, RN]

Let's spell it out in black and white. No one ever said that this person should not be punished. Nor did we say it was excusable or the freak cause of some molecular interaction between chemical mediators. Yes it was lack of long-term planning. No one plans to ruin their academic career. They just get desperate. Doesn't make them a criminal.

The consequences are clearly spelled out in 20 different places, but they just hope they don't get caught because they know it could ruin their academic career.

[emilyBABSNRN]

...big question should be does that person really want to be in nursing school if they cant put the study time in to feel comfortable without cheating? The thing with nursing is it is a profession of TRUST. This is why academic dishonesty is taken very seriously. Wish all of you the best.

I stated that already. Fallacy? Anyone....? Bueller?

[MyGranniePanties]

So if a 20 yr old student and a 40 yr old student are both in the same nursing program, the 20 yr old's cheating should be overlooked/ rehabilitated, but the 40 yr old, knowing their brain chemistry is different, is SOL? If they're mature enough to be in a nursing program where they are going to be responsible for the lives of other human beings when they are done, they are mature enough not to cheat.

No I don't think it houl be overlooked, and I don't think the brain chemistry Emily was describing should actually be used as a viable excuse. Merely explainin that it is not abnormal, sorry if my intentions were unclear.

Again I do think the student should be punished, and severly. I think it is understood at a far younger age than college level that cheating will result in negative consequences. However, again I don't think it should be a lifelong dismissal from any other nursing program. Whether you are 20 or 90, we all make mistakes. You live, you learn! (and get luvs!)

[MyGranniePanties]

The autocorrect on my phone makes it look like I can't type/speak... Apologies

[sharpeimom]

i can hear my mother's voice inside my head repeating for the umteenth time, "a major part of becoming a responsible mature adult is being willing to accept the consequences for one's actions, instead of just

saying, "but i didn't mean to do it!" or "i didn't think it through" or "i didn't know that would happen!"

or "i didn't think they meant me when the rules were posted."

[Highschoolfuturenurs]

For all you know this person is a young kid who just didnt have the foresight to plan to study.

Just because we are young "kids" doesn't mean we are excused from cheating. A lot of the people my age really annoy me because they don't bother to study, cheat and then get caught. But later blame that it's because they are young, stupid and their brain hasn't fully developed.

Anyway back to the topic. If you are dumb enough to cheat then you should pay the consequences. End of story.

[emilyBABSNRN]

Just because we are young "kids" doesn't mean we are excused from cheating. A lot of the people my age really annoy me because they don't bother to study, cheat and then get caught. But later blame that it's because they are young, stupid and their brain hasn't fully developed.

Anyway back to the topic. If you are dumb enough to cheat then you should pay the consequences. End of story.

No one argued it should be excused. Logic and rhetoric 101....this is what is called missing the point.