Exemption Friendly Facilities

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by Emergent Emergent, RN Member Nurse

Specializes in ER. Has 29 years experience.

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hppygr8ful, ASN, RN, EMT-I

Specializes in Psych, Addictions, SOL (Student of Life). Has 20 years experience. 4 Articles; 4,408 Posts

I’m not sure how to quote multiple threads so I just copied and pasted what I wanted into a Word Document.

Emergent please understand that I have a lot of respect for you and this should not  be taken as any kind of personal attack. In many ways some of the things you have mentioned closely mirror some of the thoughts and feelings I had to work through before I came fully on board to be vaccinated.

Like you I suffer from severe claustrophobia. This is partly due to my having asthma and to a particular abuse my mother inflicted which has caused me to have severe PTSD. I told my employer about this and we decide to try an experiment where I could check my O2 sats several times a day when I felt short of breath. It turned out that my Sats were equal to when I was not wearing the mask so there’s that.

“Wouldn't claustrophobia be a consideration under the Americans with Disabilities Act?”

The way I understand the law you would first have to be diagnosed by a mental health professional to have this condition to be considered under the ADA. Secondly the ADA requires employers to keep an affected employee only if a reasonable accommodation can be made.  Since there is no reasonable accommodation to not wearing a mask at the bedside that argument is moot.

“People are getting religious exemptions.”

On October 29th of this year the US Supreme Court ruled against petitioners who brought an appeal of the Main law that denies Religious exemption.

“A doctor and eight other health care workers challenged the law’s approach to religion, arguing that state officials could not ignore their faith-based concerns. As a result of the court’s 6-3 decision, these workers will risk losing their jobs if they continue refusing the vaccine.”

I don’t doubt you had severe reactions to the Covid vaccine and booster. Many of us did. In my own case I have a long standing chronic auto-Immune condition that I think contributed to this. However I see any discomfort I had to the vaccine or booster as far better than the risk of being placed on a ventilator should I contract Covid.

Hppy

Jedrnurse, BSN, RN

Specializes in school nurse. Has 30 years experience. 2,776 Posts

I can't believe that we've been reduced to debating about whether or not you have a right to not have to wear a mask during a pandemic due to a "disability". It's such a perversion of the entire concept of the ADA...

Emergent, RN

Specializes in ER. Has 29 years experience. 2 Articles; 3,964 Posts

40 minutes ago, MunoRN said:

There are certainly some cases that might have a chance of winning that a lawyer might be interested, whether a facility would be required under the ADA to allow unmasked HCWs to work directly with an at-risk population probably isn't one of them.

Well we will see what comes of this angle of the situation. There are a lot of other reasons why Healthcare has become a very undesirable field to work in. I am glad that I was careful with my money and I'm able to live on very little thanks to being debt-free.

Emergent, RN

Specializes in ER. Has 29 years experience. 2 Articles; 3,964 Posts

I'm going to leave this discussion now because I'm sure it is about to deteriorate into personal attacks and all the ridiculous nonsense it happens here. You guys can carry on, maybe one of your whipping boys will appear. I really don't like discussing things ad nauseam like a lot of people on this forum seem to enjoy.

LibraSunCNM, MSN

Specializes in OB. Has 10 years experience. 1,603 Posts

17 hours ago, Emergent said:

I'm going to leave this discussion now because I'm sure it is about to deteriorate into personal attacks and all the ridiculous nonsense it happens here. You guys can carry on, maybe one of your whipping boys will appear. I really don't like discussing things ad nauseam like a lot of people on this forum seem to enjoy.

Why bring up a topic that you know people will disagree with you about, and then flounce out when they, as expected, disagree?  If you don't like discussing things ad nauseam, why create posts about controversial topics?

To answer your original post, it is an interesting development, but I doubt it's one that will have nationwide traction.  Very few nurses want to work in nursing homes in the best of times, let alone during a global pandemic with unprecedented staffing shortages, sign-on bonus or not.  

CommunityRNBSN

CommunityRNBSN, BSN, RN

Specializes in Community health. Has 4 years experience. 785 Posts

20 hours ago, Emergent said:

People who need their service dogs are granted that even though some people are allergic to dogs. I'm curious if a rights lawyer would be interested in pursuing this.

You would not be allowed to work as an OR nurse and take your service dog into the OR with you. Even though the dog is life-saving if it’s your epilepsy response dog (and therefore it is certainly necessary), it still isn’t a “reasonable” accommodation because the dog is an infection risk. 

ThePrincessBride, MSN, RN, NP

Specializes in Med-Surg, NICU. Has 7 years experience. 1 Article; 2,549 Posts

20 hours ago, Jedrnurse said:

I can't believe that we've been reduced to debating about whether or not you have a right to not have to wear a mask during a pandemic due to a "disability". It's such a perversion of the entire concept of the ADA...

Yup. 

Nurses arguing that mask mandates are abelist really do hurt the profession. 

If you can't handle wearing masks, then healthcare isn't for you. 

ThePrincessBride, MSN, RN, NP

Specializes in Med-Surg, NICU. Has 7 years experience. 1 Article; 2,549 Posts

1 hour ago, LibraSunCNM said:

Why bring up a topic that you know people will disagree with you about, and then flounce out when they, as expected, disagree?  If you don't like discussing things ad nauseam, why create posts about controversial topics?

To answer your original post, it is an interesting development, but I doubt it's one that will have nationwide traction.  Very few nurses want to work in nursing homes in the best of times, let alone during a global pandemic with unprecedented staffing shortages, sign-on bonus or not.  

To stir the pot. As soon as they realize that they are in the minority, they are quick to cry about feeling personally attacked even after making inflammatory comments.

Daisy4RN

Daisy4RN

Specializes in Travel, Home Health, Med-Surg. Has 20 years experience. 1 Article; 2,081 Posts

3 hours ago, LibraSunCNM said:

Why bring up a topic that you know people will disagree with you about, and then flounce out when they, as expected, disagree?  If you don't like discussing things ad nauseam, why create posts about controversial topics?

OP has made numerous musing posts that are meant for discussion. Of course one would expect different points of view but there are some people who just seem to be obtuse and/or argue ad nauseam, which IMO is different than someone merely stating their opinion (which may or may not agree with an OP). And of course some get snarky and/or start with personal attacks. Not saying you, but some others. It gets real old, real quick. 

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LibraSunCNM, MSN

Specializes in OB. Has 10 years experience. 1,603 Posts

1 hour ago, Daisy4RN said:

OP has made numerous musing posts that are meant for discussion. Of course one would expect different points of view but there are some people who just seem to be obtuse and/or argue ad nauseam, which IMO is different than someone merely stating their opinion (which may or may not agree with an OP). And of course some get snarky and/or start with personal attacks. Not saying you, but some others. It gets real old, real quick. 

What's obtuse is posting about something controversial and then getting upset when people voice opposition to it.  I haven't seen anything so far I'd describe as posting ad nauseam about anything, or personal attacks.

Rose_Queen, BSN, MSN, RN

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