Every Nurse Should Give Birth

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My prayer is that every doctor, every nurse, every anyone who stands in judgment of others when it comes to things like pain would experience exactly what their patient is experiencing.

There used to be a popular saying back when nurses were mostly female - "Every nurse should give birth" to know how excruciating childbirth can be. And for doctors, who were mostly male, you used to hear, "Every doctor should have a kidney stone".

Well, my cousin is experiencing severe pain issues lately and has seen, to almost no avail, chiropractor, internist, surgeon, neurologist, and now a Pain Management doctor. He is on Percocet, which gives maybe 3 hours of relief. He is allowed 2 Percocet per day. Huh? Isn't this serious underdosing? What is he supposed to do the other 18 hours per day? He had to request the Percocet, too; doctor did not bring up the issue of pain med and was content to give only injections of steroid/'caine, which did only a little good - and only the first shot helped. Subsequent shots have been worthless.

Now, Cuz is on oxycontin and only after requesting, at my suggestion, pain relief that would be more steady. Had I not coached him on this, he would not have known to ask for it. Do you think anyone at the pain clinic has talked to him about constipation as a side effect of narcotics? No. Cousin Vito brought up that he needs to increase water and fiber. Also avoid driving and knives, lawnmowers, etc. when under the influence of these powerful meds. The nurse also did no teaching about this.

The doctor did not talk about the fact that there is a lag of between 3 and 7 days for the oxycontin to reach a therapeutic level and that Cuz should continue the Percocet BID PRN for the first few days. In fact, doctor Torture lowered the Percocet to one per day PRN. To me, this is not merely incompetence, it is cruel. I guess he thought maybe the shot would help more than it did, therefore the Percocet could be decreased. Cuz was very scared, thinking that the doctor would not help him with the pain, should the current regimen be inadequate.

When the doctor told him that he found him unbelievable, that he thought he was exaggerating the pain in order to evoke sympathy from the doctor, that was the last straw. Cuz has severe, unbearable pain with certain movements and these cause him to grunt or scream sometimes. Other times, he is, thankfully, pretty much ok. While arising from the table after the shots, he screamed twice. The idiot doctor apparently forgot that such pain is diagnostic of Cuz's condition. At least, that's what he told him originally - that, with his particular condition, pain upon rising is the worst. Also, Cuz is having killer muscle cramps, which can also be very, very awful, as any of you athletes out there know. To not be believed was really an insult - and the doubter is supposed to be someone who specializes in this specialty.

I really feel like filing a complaint with the licensing Board, the specialty Board, JCAHO, the facility Administrator and Risk Manager, and anyone else who will listen. This doctor sounds like a real jerk. There are other issues - he has kept Cuz waiting an hour or more for every appointment. He is not available after hours. No one covers for him on holidays, weekends, vacations and he does not answer his pager. There is no other contact way, per the nurse.

Cuz has begun seeing a physical therapist who is skilled in trigger point therapy and primal reflex release technique or something like that. She has done more for him, he says, than all the others combined. Naturally, his insurance doesn't cover her.

Specializes in ICU/Critical Care.

Don't think my uterus is ready for that...

Anyhow, I hope your cousin feels better. I think some healthcare professionals don't realize how painful something is unless they've experienced it themselves.

vito, you have heard of "chop shops"? well in the spinal disorders world there are what is called "shot shops" ie practices that advertise as pain management, but are really only into giving those expensive shots....

vito, if you responded to the suggestions of your cousin getting another dr., i don't recall reading it.

wouldn't that be a viable solution?

leslie

I understand and hear where you are coming from. It's not childbirth pain you should compare with chronic pain. Having experienced such it is something that you actually forget about when it is all said and done.

I like the idea of the pain associated with a kidney stone. I have a son who has experienced chronic pain since age 4. Today he is 28. I am appalled at the way nurses and doctors look at an individual who has such pain. I learnt in nursing school that pain is whatever the patient says it is.

My son was seeing a pain doctor. You would think that at least people in this area would have a better idea of pain in an individual. 8 years ago I was with my son while he was being prepped for treatment. He had complained to me that the nurse always made him feel like he was lying and just wanted drugs. I sat quickly while they interacted and by the end of this assessment I was ready to bounce on this nurse. She had ask him to grade his pain on the 1-10 pain scale. His response was 6. This person looked at him with the expression that relayed to me she thought he was lying and she said "oh really." She had the attitude that someone with moderate pain should not be able to have conversation exchange without showing signs of pain.

Like my son said when you have pain everyday for years you become able to function withouf showing it. When he was moved to the procedure area I spoke with this nurse and nicely explained how my son felt. I received the response from this twit that when one actually has pain their facial expression show. Since his did not, he was lying.

That was the last treatment that he has receive from a "pain clinic." That was 8 years ago. Since then he has had hip replacement and has been prescribed several different meds for mod-severe pain. He was on Fentanyl for 13 months when he decided he did not like the way it made him feel. Today he is maintained on Methadone. He is a radiology technologist and works in a hospital setting. He has never missed one day of work. He continues with some chronic pain and says now he feels awkward we he gets the methadone script filled. It is assumed with this drug that he takes it because of drug abuse. That in itself is a whole different post. And the one where the recovery nurse thought she knew when someone felt pain and needed more medication instead of the patient.

Specializes in LTC, MDS, Education.

Years ago.....Came on at 11 pm. Had a fresh post-op laminectomy as an "overflow" pt. on the GYN floor. Told her I would take her vitals and then we would log-roll her to her side. She started whining right away. I thought, "Oh no, a wimp". Well when I went out and looked at her MAR, the ONLY thing she had been given post-op was 2 Darvocets!!! I drew up what was also ordered, Demerol 75, Phenergan 25 and gave it to her. When we went in to reposition her 30 min. later, she was a new patient!.I medicated her Q 4 hrs that night and instructed her to ask. I was super annoyed at the nurse who couldn't be bothered to give her an IM injection. That was 20 years ago but I have never forgotten that poor woman and how much better she did after receiving the pain med. :nurse:

Two people in my family experience very intense chronic pain. Both are also struggling with under dosing. I'm sorry to hear about your situation, but not at all shocked.

Now in terms of being able to empathize, it does shock me somewhat to think that people, particularly nurses, would need to experience it to understand it. Isn't the look in a patient's face and eyes proof enough of what they're going through?!

The culprit in this case is not a nurse. It is a doctor.

No, we can't always see pain in the face or eyes. That's the trouble - in so many cases, we can't tell just by looking at someone.

Years ago.....Came on at 11 pm. Had a fresh post-op laminectomy as an "overflow" pt. on the GYN floor. Told her I would take her vitals and then we would log-roll her to her side. She started whining right away. I thought, "Oh no, a wimp". Well when I went out and looked at her MAR, the ONLY thing she had been given post-op was 2 Darvocets!!! I drew up what was also ordered, Demerol 75, Phenergan 25 and gave it to her. When we went in to reposition her 30 min. later, she was a new patient!.I medicated her Q 4 hrs that night and instructed her to ask. I was super annoyed at the nurse who couldn't be bothered to give her an IM injection. That was 20 years ago but I have never forgotten that poor woman and how much better she did after receiving the pain med. :nurse:

God bless you for caring about her and for doing the right thing. I wonder if it was laziness only in the other staff. Probably. They didn't want to have to sign out the demerol, draw it up, etc., when they could so easily do the po thing. May they suffer pain worthy of IM Rx and only get po. OK, so I'm big on learning by experience. Shoot me. :devil::saint:

Unfortunately this is becoming an all too common problem. Some docs are so afraid they will get in trouble for giving too much pain meds they are giving painfully low amounts instead and patients are suffering.

I liked Jolie's idea of calling the insurance company. You need to get him another doctor pronto and one that is available after hours. I also don't have any problem with you reporting this doctor if you see reason to do so. Your cuz is lucky to have someone who works in the medical field to have someone help and advocate for him but plenty other of his patients won't be so lucky.

Pain is what the patient says it is. Period. Tell your cuz not to be afraid to assert himself. Problem could be that he's in so much pain he doesn't even have the energy to do so.

I'll pray for your cuz. Keep us posted.

Specializes in HomeHealth / geriatrics.

Just because one person didn't receive adequate care does not mean all healthcare professional/ workers treat there patients and clients with disregard for there pain and concerns. And also childbirth its not an accurate comparsion to someones pain. In fact my labor and pushing the whole process overall was less painful then my full blown kidney infection. And yes I had a lady partsl birth and I labored at home for 2 days. Thats my perspective and I apologize for your bad experience.

vito, if you responded to the suggestions of your cousin getting another dr., i don't recall reading it.

wouldn't that be a viable solution?

leslie

Actually, Cuz is the patient but yes, a new doc is definitely worth looking into.

I understand and hear where you are coming from. It's not childbirth pain you should compare with chronic pain. Having experienced such it is something that you actually forget about when it is all said and done.

I like the idea of the pain associated with a kidney stone. I have a son who has experienced chronic pain since age 4. Today he is 28. I am appalled at the way nurses and doctors look at an individual who has such pain. I learnt in nursing school that pain is whatever the patient says it is.

My son was seeing a pain doctor. You would think that at least people in this area would have a better idea of pain in an individual. 8 years ago I was with my son while he was being prepped for treatment. He had complained to me that the nurse always made him feel like he was lying and just wanted drugs. I sat quickly while they interacted and by the end of this assessment I was ready to bounce on this nurse. She had ask him to grade his pain on the 1-10 pain scale. His response was 6. This person looked at him with the expression that relayed to me she thought he was lying and she said "oh really." She had the attitude that someone with moderate pain should not be able to have conversation exchange without showing signs of pain.

Like my son said when you have pain everyday for years you become able to function withouf showing it. When he was moved to the procedure area I spoke with this nurse and nicely explained how my son felt. I received the response from this twit that when one actually has pain their facial expression show. Since his did not, he was lying.

That was the last treatment that he has receive from a "pain clinic." That was 8 years ago. Since then he has had hip replacement and has been prescribed several different meds for mod-severe pain. He was on Fentanyl for 13 months when he decided he did not like the way it made him feel. Today he is maintained on Methadone. He is a radiology technologist and works in a hospital setting. He has never missed one day of work. He continues with some chronic pain and says now he feels awkward we he gets the methadone script filled. It is assumed with this drug that he takes it because of drug abuse. That in itself is a whole different post. And the one where the recovery nurse thought she knew when someone felt pain and needed more medication instead of the patient.

I'm so sorry you and your son have to deal with this but God bless him for working instead of seeking disability and God bless him for hanging in there. May that idiot nurse experience in her own body... You know where I'm coming from.

Unfortunately this is becoming an all too common problem. Some docs are so afraid they will get in trouble for giving too much pain meds they are giving painfully low amounts instead and patients are suffering.

I liked Jolie's idea of calling the insurance company. You need to get him another doctor pronto and one that is available after hours. I also don't have any problem with you reporting this doctor if you see reason to do so. Your cuz is lucky to have someone who works in the medical field to have someone help and advocate for him but plenty other of his patients won't be so lucky.

Pain is what the patient says it is. Period. Tell your cuz not to be afraid to assert himself. Problem could be that he's in so much pain he doesn't even have the energy to do so.

I'll pray for your cuz. Keep us posted.

Thank you, Batman. He is, indeed, beaten down, just worn out. Yes, I do thank God that he's got someone in his corner. I wish life as a nurse and as a patient weren't filled with so much controversy.

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