Every Nurse Should Give Birth

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My prayer is that every doctor, every nurse, every anyone who stands in judgment of others when it comes to things like pain would experience exactly what their patient is experiencing.

There used to be a popular saying back when nurses were mostly female - "Every nurse should give birth" to know how excruciating childbirth can be. And for doctors, who were mostly male, you used to hear, "Every doctor should have a kidney stone".

Well, my cousin is experiencing severe pain issues lately and has seen, to almost no avail, chiropractor, internist, surgeon, neurologist, and now a Pain Management doctor. He is on Percocet, which gives maybe 3 hours of relief. He is allowed 2 Percocet per day. Huh? Isn't this serious underdosing? What is he supposed to do the other 18 hours per day? He had to request the Percocet, too; doctor did not bring up the issue of pain med and was content to give only injections of steroid/'caine, which did only a little good - and only the first shot helped. Subsequent shots have been worthless.

Now, Cuz is on oxycontin and only after requesting, at my suggestion, pain relief that would be more steady. Had I not coached him on this, he would not have known to ask for it. Do you think anyone at the pain clinic has talked to him about constipation as a side effect of narcotics? No. Cousin Vito brought up that he needs to increase water and fiber. Also avoid driving and knives, lawnmowers, etc. when under the influence of these powerful meds. The nurse also did no teaching about this.

The doctor did not talk about the fact that there is a lag of between 3 and 7 days for the oxycontin to reach a therapeutic level and that Cuz should continue the Percocet BID PRN for the first few days. In fact, doctor Torture lowered the Percocet to one per day PRN. To me, this is not merely incompetence, it is cruel. I guess he thought maybe the shot would help more than it did, therefore the Percocet could be decreased. Cuz was very scared, thinking that the doctor would not help him with the pain, should the current regimen be inadequate.

When the doctor told him that he found him unbelievable, that he thought he was exaggerating the pain in order to evoke sympathy from the doctor, that was the last straw. Cuz has severe, unbearable pain with certain movements and these cause him to grunt or scream sometimes. Other times, he is, thankfully, pretty much ok. While arising from the table after the shots, he screamed twice. The idiot doctor apparently forgot that such pain is diagnostic of Cuz's condition. At least, that's what he told him originally - that, with his particular condition, pain upon rising is the worst. Also, Cuz is having killer muscle cramps, which can also be very, very awful, as any of you athletes out there know. To not be believed was really an insult - and the doubter is supposed to be someone who specializes in this specialty.

I really feel like filing a complaint with the licensing Board, the specialty Board, JCAHO, the facility Administrator and Risk Manager, and anyone else who will listen. This doctor sounds like a real jerk. There are other issues - he has kept Cuz waiting an hour or more for every appointment. He is not available after hours. No one covers for him on holidays, weekends, vacations and he does not answer his pager. There is no other contact way, per the nurse.

Cuz has begun seeing a physical therapist who is skilled in trigger point therapy and primal reflex release technique or something like that. She has done more for him, he says, than all the others combined. Naturally, his insurance doesn't cover her.

Specializes in Telemetry & Obs.

I'm so sorry your cousin is experiencing such blatant disregard for his pain. I don't know why anyone would go into pain management and NOT manage pain adequately. :(

I know that my experience with cancer has given me a new insight into what patients go thru, but I don't wish that on anybody. I'm sure, Vito, that your frustrations are speaking. ((((vito)))) (((((vito's cousin)))))

Hey there Vito! Sorry your cuz is having pain issues. He needs to find another doctor ASAP! Not to be giving "medical advice" but quinine does wonders for leg cramps..worth a try....Btw I understand what you are saying about having to experience pain....but no childbirth for me!! When I worked in labor and delivery I dreamed that I was on the table pushing, and gave birth to 3 kittens!! (I'm a cat lover). However, I have had bad pain from gastroenteritis and gallbladder, so I am the first to offer and encourage pain meds. :nurse:

Wow, kittens! I love cats but that had to be one freaky dream!

Crap. I guess I could join the military.

Uh, yeah! Huh? :confused:

Specializes in LTC, Memory loss, PDN.

I feel your frustration. I have my own experiences with uncontrolled (fortunately short term as in post op) pain. The most ironic event was after outpatient surgery. I actually wanted something less strong, because I found out the prescribed narcotics made me desperately ill and I tossed them up anyway - not good after abdominal surgery. I didn't expect to be pain free, but going down a few numbers from nine or ten seemed a reasonable expectation. However, it took two days to get another prescription and my pain now was about five on extra strength acetaminophen. While in OB rotation during clinicals, I observed a doctor loudly reprimanding a first time mom who was complaining of pain, "Every mother goes through this, it's not so bad", he said. I discussed this with my clinical instructor, but she just said that he was a jerk. As it turned out, Dr. Jerk was on duty when my wife went into labor 2 months later. I immediately informed the hospital staff that I would deliver the baby myself before letting Dr. Jerk so much as speak to my wife. Another Dr. was called and I gladly paid the extra $. As I said, I hear you, but I am concerned about your word choice. Do you really ask for other people to experience pain in your prayer? Why not ask for wisdom to not judge and knowledge to give proper treatment? And most of all, let's ask for the pain to be taken.

I'm so sorry your cousin is experiencing such blatant disregard for his pain. I don't know why anyone would go into pain management and NOT manage pain adequately. :(

I know that my experience with cancer has given me a new insight into what patients go thru, but I don't wish that on anybody. I'm sure, Vito, that your frustrations are speaking. ((((vito)))) (((((vito's cousin)))))

I think this doctor must be worried about the DEA, as they do breathe down doctors' necks about pain RX. I do understand some of his concern but 2 percocet per day???? No way that is adequate. And to do the other things mentioned? Wrong. I also think he is into the money. Perhaps there is a whole lot of money in this specialty. I don't know.

I'm sorry about your struggles with CA and pray that you are doing really well. You're right - I am frustrated. But, unlike you, I DO think the doctor would become a whole lot more empathetic by experiencing what his patients are experiencing, since he doesn't give them the benefit of any doubt now. You were probably kind to begin with and your suffering has merely made you moreso. He has probably been a dirty dog all his life. :yeah:

Specializes in CVICU, Burns, Trauma, BMT, Infection control.
Wow, kittens! I love cats but that had to be one freaky dream!

Yeah,I started to say I'd give birth if it was to kittens but then I had a disturbing flash as to who the father would be. :D

I feel your frustration. I have my own experiences with uncontrolled (fortunately short term as in post op) pain. The most ironic event was after outpatient surgery. I actually wanted something less strong, because I found out the prescribed narcotics made me desperately ill and I tossed them up anyway - not good after abdominal surgery. I didn't expect to be pain free, but going down a few numbers from nine or ten seemed a reasonable expectation. However, it took two days to get another prescription and my pain now was about five on extra strength acetaminophen. While in OB rotation during clinicals, I observed a doctor loudly reprimanding a first time mom who was complaining of pain, "Every mother goes through this, it's not so bad", he said. I discussed this with my clinical instructor, but she just said that he was a jerk. As it turned out, Dr. Jerk was on duty when my wife went into labor 2 months later. I immediately informed the hospital staff that I would deliver the baby myself before letting Dr. Jerk so much as speak to my wife. Another Dr. was called and I gladly paid the extra $. As I said, I hear you, but I am concerned about your word choice. Do you really ask for other people to experience pain in your prayer? Why not ask for wisdom to not judge and knowledge to give proper treatment? And most of all, let's ask for the pain to be taken.

I agree, they should all give proper care but I can't help but judge them when I think they are cruel or incompetent. I doubt my prayers will be answered anyway in this regard so it really doesn't matter. God is never going to afflict doctors with pain they way He afflicts others, it seems. I know that's not true, it just seems like some people escape so much of life's pain, while others get a double dose.

Glad your wife had you there to advocate for her. See? That's exactly what I'm talking about. How dare he tell her that childbirth isn't so bad? What does he have to compare it to? We need to just believe people when they say they're in pain. Sure, we can try non-narcotic, non-medication approaches, too, lots of relaxation techniques, massage, positioning, soothing words, relaxing music, etc. But God made the opium poppy for a reason. Let's use it (or a lesser med if sufficient).

Just curious - was that doctor old? tired? I can understand that howling and crying get on people's nerves. I don't have much patience for that myself. So maybe I'm extra quick to give out pain meds, huh? Prevent howling and I just hate to think of anyone in pain, especially if I have the means at hand to alleviate it.

Specializes in acute rehab, med surg, LTC, peds, home c.

Isn't that covered in Nursing 101--If a patient says they have pain then we have to believe them?

I guess the exception to this rule would be the drug seekers that come into the ER and are allergic to toradol and anything else that wont get them high. That is a whole other problem but really, even these people have some type of pain sensation even if it isn't based on a real causative factor other than their addiction.

I know what you mean about being more empathetic to pain after having a little dose of it yourself. I have enjoyed good health most of my life but those rare instances when I had pain--wisdom teeth, child birth--really made me step a little quicker to give out the pain meds because now I could relate to the pt in pain. You cant really imagine bad pain, you have to experience it.

Two people in my family experience very intense chronic pain. Both are also struggling with under dosing. I'm sorry to hear about your situation, but not at all shocked.

Now in terms of being able to empathize, it does shock me somewhat to think that people, particularly nurses, would need to experience it to understand it. Isn't the look in a patient's face and eyes proof enough of what they're going through?!

I've given birth twice, without anesthesia, and I really didn't think it was that bad...

Isn't that covered in Nursing 101--If a patient says they have pain then we have to believe them?

Yes. This is drummed repeatedly into my head by my nursing instructors: "Pain is what the patient says it is, not what the doctors or nurses think it is or should be." Other statements by my instructors: "Even if the patient doesn't appear to be in pain." "Even if the patient is talking normally and laughing."

However, I have experienced doctors who have downplayed my complaints of pain. :banghead:

I've given birth twice, without anesthesia, and I really didn't think it was that bad...

You are among the fortunate minority. Be grateful but never doubt the experience of the great majority of women who find the process terrifying, humiliating, and excruciating. It would be wise not to tell your experience to most laboring women when they get to what is it, about 6 cm., or to any woman who had a really rough experience. I guarantee they will not put you on their A list.

Some women, like my Auntie Ruth, say they have never had a hot flash. All the other women in my family hate her. We guys just sit and wonder. :rolleyes:

Again, though, the point was not childbirth per se. It was about being empathetic to others who say they are in pain. Please re-read the original post.

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