Granny Dumping - page 2
With the Memorial Holiday over it is now the official beginning of summer time vacation. Time for the family to hit the road, the skies or the boats. But what to do with Gramma? Lets take her... Read More
Jun 1, '04Joined: Feb '03; Posts: 900; Likes: 45Oh Lordy...we had severallllllll Granny/Pappy dumps this Memorial Day weekend...I can understand needing a break, but the hospital is a mighty expensive way to get one.You always know it's a 'dump' when you are admitting the pt, who arrives with all family members in tow..you go to check the admit orders and go back to ask the family questions/ask about meds, ect...and POOF...they're gone !!! lol
Jun 1, '04Occupation: CCT RN/Paramedic/ER RN Specialty: Emergency/Critical Care Transport ; Joined: Jul '03; Posts: 134; Likes: 24Most of our drops come from the local nursing homes. You can always tell when a Holiday weekend is coming up. The nursing homes run short staff on those days and they start sending their "labor intensive" pts to us. Sometimes as early as Thursday evening. But most of the time it starts around 1000hrs on the Friday of the holiday weekend, the phone calls from the homes saying they have to send Mr/Mrs Jones in because normally she is unresponive but today s/he more unresponsive than usual. Clear admit there. That way Mr/Mrs Jones is out of their hair for few days. Sad but true. When I was street medic we used to get what we called mom or pop drops all the time. I had one girl I worked with sum it niclely after taking a mom drop out of a private home. She said; "Hell, THanksgiving is this week and we gotta get grandma's bed outta the dining room so we can have Thanksgiving Dinner!" It's one of those statements that's horrifying and hysterical at the same time. Seeing this dumps year in/year out also made you despise humanity.
Jun 1, '04Occupation: RN and blogger extraordinaire Specialty: 20 year(s) of experience in LTC, assisted living, med-surg, psych ; From: OR, US ; Joined: Sep '02; Posts: 26,973; Likes: 44,757We almost always get several of these admissions just before a big holiday weekend.....all of a sudden somebody's Mom or Grandma suffers an episode of "weakness" (my all-time favorite wastebasket diagnosis :stone ) and family just can't take care of her at home anymore. Translation: We babysit a relatively healthy but confused/incontinent/combative/uncooperative elderly patient until Monday, when the discharge planners come in and they can begin the process of finding nursing-home placement.
This, of course, irritates the hell out of us because these patients are often very heavy care and high-maintenance (incontinent care, Q 2 hr turns, bed alarms, close obs etc.) but we're not doing anything for them medically.....it's just frustrating. Instead of checking out nursing homes themselves, or even getting Senior Services to do the legwork, these families just wait until Friday night and dump the patient in the ER.........and nobody ever does a thing about it. :angryfire
Jun 1, '04Occupation: Occupational Health Nurse Joined: Dec '03; Posts: 155; Likes: 11saw hundreds of those - turns acute hospital care into a holding unit for long term care placement.
after working a long weekend and having several "dumps" admitted - it was very easy to get bitter.
nursing home beds are very short here and getting a ltc admission would often mean we had them on the acute ward for months...
Jun 1, '04Joined: Nov '03; Posts: 155; Likes: 18Quote from Medic946RNThis is terrible!!!!!I had one girl I worked with sum it niclely after taking a mom drop out of a private home. She said; "Hell, THanksgiving is this week and we gotta get grandma's bed outta the dining room so we can have Thanksgiving Dinner!"
Jun 1, '04Occupation: SAHM, for now. From: WI, US ; Joined: Feb '04; Posts: 2,574; Likes: 322As someone said before, this is a "pop drop" or "Positive tail-light sign."
I do get concerned about some respite care sites though. We have one locally that advertises their "Respite Care" program at the beginning of the summer. What really scary about this place is that I've heard of a woman who was possibly molested by the staff. I've heard that GOOD respite care is hard to come by, and that there are waiting lists for respite care. However, this does not excuse those who want to use the hospital as a babysitting service come vacation time.
Jun 1, '04Occupation: Class of 2008 !!! Joined: Sep '03; Posts: 2,978; Likes: 78Don't these people know that they could be looking at their own fate in the eyes?
Whatever happened to "treat those as you wish to be treated"?
Jun 1, '04Occupation: home health Joined: Dec '02; Posts: 243; Likes: 16We get a variation of this in home health.......family brings us in for "a weekend" and disappears leaving gandma alone over the holidays. The kicker was a family who left grandma (resonably healthy, mobile and not incontinent) and took the DOG :angryfire I dont understand people.
Jun 1, '04Occupation: ER RN Specialty: ER,ICU,L&D,OR,ETC ; Joined: May '01; Posts: 5,588; Likes: 566The other variant we see all the time is grandparents or parents come to visit for the first time in a few years. And the first little complaint they have the family whisks them off to the ER and demonstrate overcompensted behaviour for ignoring their parents over the last few years.
My Mom just got here from Seattle, you need to check her over to make sure she is ok for us. We havent seen her in a few yrs but make sure she is around for us not to see again for a few more years.
Personally, my parents and grandparents are all dead, and when I get older I will never go visit my children, and if they come to visit Im going golfing.
Jun 1, '04Occupation: NICU RN Joined: Oct '00; Posts: 2,537; Likes: 369Ohhh yeeeah! I remember those. Was always an increase in "Change in mental status" admits around the holidays. Work 'em up for r/o sepsis, TIA, MI, the whole nine yards. Always good for a long weekend.
Jun 1, '04Occupation: RN, MS home health Joined: Aug '02; Posts: 7,472; Likes: 49OMG that is horrible!!! I have had in home health people think Medicare with pay for 24 hour while people go on vacation.
Here are my thoughts on that.................
Jun 1, '04From: US ; Joined: Oct '01; Posts: 6,238; Likes: 1,829A few years ago I worked for a SNF that was a "prefered provider" with our local hospital and took admits 24/7 including from the ER, the hospial even had "our" admit packets for the ER doc to write the admit orders and the ER Social Worker had been "trained" to complete out admission agreement with a family member.
The facility was HARD core. The "responsable" family member was required to show proof that the Medicaid application process had been initiated within 3 working days or the facility's legal rep initiated lein procedeings AND a phone call was made to APS. My state is pretty hard core and DSHS [/I]WILL[I] reverse a transfer of property if it occurs within the 12 months prior to an application if there is even a hint of inpropriety. Also, the family member signing the admission agreement was signing that they personally would be responsable for payment of the bill if Granny has noassets or insurance.
Anyway...word gets around, "social admits" are not as common an occurance as it once was (I think the same families are repeat offenders) and generally if there is an admit it is warrented.
Jun 2, '04Occupation: RN supervisor and staff nurse. Joined: Apr '04; Posts: 124; Likes: 49Granny dumping is common here. One pt is in every few months with unstable IDDM. We suspect dear sonny-boy is skipping insulin then setting granny down for an all you can eat sugar coated crusty cream donut buffet just in time for his vacation. You just want to shake some people!:angryfire