Elizabeth Warren says doctors, nurses don't treat black women same way as other women

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Is it bash medical professions month and I just didn't realize it?

Don't get me wrong I do believe that prejudice exists but according to Ms. Warren, the only concievable reason for the increased materials deaths in African American women is due to doctors and nurses being prejudice. This is absolutely ludicrous.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.foxnews.com/politics/elizabeth-warren-doctors-nurses-black-women.amp

And which of these studies can quantify the variable, "prejudice?"

The burden of proof exists with Elizabeth Warren. She claimed prejudice.

Now, quantify it.

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23 hours ago, KonichiwaRN said:

And which of these studies can quantify the variable, "prejudice?"

The burden of proof exists with Elizabeth Warren. She claimed prejudice.

Now, quantify it.

Prejudiced based health disparity refers to differences in health outcomes that are due solely to differences in how patients are treated based on race, where all other known factors have been removed, as an example this can include that black patients are less likely to receive diagnostic tests given the same presentations and factors other than race.

The main metanalysis on this came out in 2002, with subsequent research continuing to show the same findings.

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3 hours ago, MunoRN said:

She acknowledged the other known causes of outcome disparities and pointed out that even when we adjust for those known factors there is still a disparity, the evidence shows that this remaining factor is prejudice, which is a correct statement.

OR it could be due to an unknown factor, if you want to be logical about it . She probably heard the same program on NPR that I heard. I'm evolving as fast as I can(!) but I admit that I have unconscious prejudices that influence my behavior with patients, as much as I don't want this to happen. Could Elizabeth Warren please explain what we are supposed to DO to solve this incredibly complex problem? She is mouthing off about a weakness to curry votes and it's just a little sleazy. It's a cheap ploy. Too bad because I like some if her policies but she isn't going to beat Trump with this throwaway comment.

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22 minutes ago, subee said:

OR it could be due to an unknown factor, if you want to be logical about it . She probably heard the same program on NPR that I heard. I'm evolving as fast as I can(!) but I admit that I have unconscious prejudices that influence my behavior with patients, as much as I don't want this to happen. Could Elizabeth Warren please explain what we are supposed to DO to solve this incredibly complex problem? She is mouthing off about a weakness to curry votes and it's just a little sleazy. It's a cheap ploy. Too bad because I like some if her policies but she isn't going to beat Trump with this throwaway comment.

The reasons why non-whites receive different care likely contains at least some if not many unknowns, but we do know that they receive different care, and that those differences are likely result in different outcomes.

It should noted that much of this is likely not due to overt racism, there are a variety of reasons why providers may treat non-whites differently separate from any intentional discriminations.

As an example, there is evidence that non-whites more likely to decline taking a new medications, separate from lack of insurance, financial hardships, or other concomitant factors. A provider considering prescribing a new medication may consciously or unconsciously consider this and be less likely to prescribe medications to non-whites.

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31 minutes ago, subee said:

OR it could be due to an unknown factor, if you want to be logical about it . She probably heard the same program on NPR that I heard. I'm evolving as fast as I can(!) but I admit that I have unconscious prejudices that influence my behavior with patients, as much as I don't want this to happen. Could Elizabeth Warren please explain what we are supposed to DO to solve this incredibly complex problem? She is mouthing off about a weakness to curry votes and it's just a little sleazy. It's a cheap ploy. Too bad because I like some if her policies but she isn't going to beat Trump with this throwaway comment.

You don’t have to be “logical” about it. There’s studies on top of studies about it. Honestly, the first step is to acknowledge you have a bias and that these biases exist. Then taking the steps to try to combat these biases.

Heres maybe a starting point: http://www.ihi.org/communities/blogs/how-to-reduce-implicit-bias

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Statistics and studies back her claim. Instead of arguing about the (multiple) studies, we could all proactively acknowledge our potential biases and work towards fixing the problem.

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Oh Pocahontas,look how many women have been spared an early demise by you not practicing in the Medical field.Thank you for not being an RN,MD,Nurses Aide,NNP-you have spared many innocents.

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I think the hardest thing for white people to ever admit to themselves is that, by far and large we have benefits related to our skin color. It is really hard to see because we are like “Dude, I’ve struggled, how is that different from others struggling?”

Well here is a real time example. In Illinois they just enacted a minimum age to be at home alone law. The minimum age is 13 and if your children are at home alone and underage your children can be taken into custody and you get charged with neglect.

The majority of white people are like well that’s ridiculous! Now I have to hire a baby sitter or get my mom to come over.

The majority of minorities are like I can’t afford a babysitter, I don’t live close to an after hours school program, my mom’s in jail for double parking, my employer won’t adjust my schedule, and if I quit my job I get kicked out of my housing. So I’m going to tell my kids to be quite until I can get home because that is all I see as an option. Then they get caught disobeying the law, the kids now have no family because mom’s in jail and she can’t get a court hearing for 2 years because of back log. And white people are like, “well it is the law and you have to obey it, I mean really it is for your children’s safety.”

Is it for the children? (‘Cause y’all I was home alone at 8.) Or is it a legal way to keep those of color in the worst socioeconomic part of society and then we can tell ourselves we weren’t being racist?

BTW I am white. I hate ANY accusation that I have treated any patient unequally, but I have started to recognize that some of the “rules” that make patient non compliant are really kind of elitist and racist too.

I truly don’t believe any of us want to treat non white citizens differently, but I do believe we do.

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26 minutes ago, KalipsoRed21 said:

I think the hardest thing for white people to ever admit to themselves is that, by far and large we have benefits related to our skin color. It is really hard to see because we are like “Dude, I’ve struggled, how is that different from others struggling?”

Well here is a real time example. In Illinois they just enacted a minimum age to be at home alone law. The minimum age is 13 and if your children are at home alone and underage your children can be taken into custody and you get charged with neglect.

The majority of white people are like well that’s ridiculous! Now I have to hire a baby sitter or get my mom to come over.

The majority of minorities are like I can’t afford a babysitter, I don’t live close to an after hours school program, my mom’s in jail for double parking, my employer won’t adjust my schedule, and if I quit my job I get kicked out of my housing. So I’m going to tell my kids to be quite until I can get home because that is all I see as an option. Then they get caught disobeying the law, the kids now have no family because mom’s in jail and she can’t get a court hearing for 2 years because of back log. And white people are like, “well it is the law and you have to obey it, I mean really it is for your children’s safety.”

Is it for the children? (‘Cause y’all I was home alone at 8.) Or is it a legal way to keep those of color in the worst socioeconomic part of society and then we can tell ourselves we weren’t being racist?

BTW I am white. I hate ANY accusation that I have treated any patient unequally, but I have started to recognize that some of the “rules” that make patient non compliant are really kind of elitist and racist too.

I truly don’t believe any of us want to treat non white citizens differently, but I do believe we do.

The Illinois 'Home Alone' law doesn't pertain to latch-key kids, it defines abandonment as leaving a child under 12 at home unsupervised for a time period exceeding 24 hours.

The law originally came about after a couple left their 4 and 9 year olds at home alone while they went on a Christmas vacation to Mexico. Although the most famous case was arguably of Illinois resident Kevin McCallister who was left at home unsupervised while his verbally abusive family went to Paris, leaving him to fend off hapless intruders using a mix of sadism and slapstick.

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7 hours ago, KalipsoRed21 said:

I think the hardest thing for white people to ever admit to themselves is that, by far and large we have benefits related to our skin color. It is really hard to see because we are like “Dude, I’ve struggled, how is that different from others struggling?”

Well here is a real time example. In Illinois they just enacted a minimum age to be at home alone law. The minimum age is 13 and if your children are at home alone and underage your children can be taken into custody and you get charged with neglect.

The majority of white people are like well that’s ridiculous! Now I have to hire a baby sitter or get my mom to come over.

The majority of minorities are like I can’t afford a babysitter, I don’t live close to an after hours school program, my mom’s in jail for double parking, my employer won’t adjust my schedule, and if I quit my job I get kicked out of my housing. So I’m going to tell my kids to be quite until I can get home because that is all I see as an option. Then they get caught disobeying the law, the kids now have no family because mom’s in jail and she can’t get a court hearing for 2 years because of back log. And white people are like, “well it is the law and you have to obey it, I mean really it is for your children’s safety.”

Is it for the children? (‘Cause y’all I was home alone at 8.) Or is it a legal way to keep those of color in the worst socioeconomic part of society and then we can tell ourselves we weren’t being racist?

BTW I am white. I hate ANY accusation that I have treated any patient unequally, but I have started to recognize that some of the “rules” that make patient non compliant are really kind of elitist and racist too.

I truly don’t believe any of us want to treat non white citizens differently, but I do believe we do.

That's a ridiculous example full of stereotypes and assumptions. Non whites are more likely to have a mother in jail? Whites have stay at home mothers who live nearby?

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14 hours ago, KalipsoRed21 said:

The majority of minorities..

Then by these so called claim...

Japanese Americans, Korean Americans, Chinese Americans, and Indian Americans..who are no doubt "minorities," would also be receiving the short end of the stick when it comes to health care?

Elizabeth's claim of prejudice?

Nope. Just can't see that.

These "ethnic minorities" that I have used as an example--the majority of them, landed on this country without even knowing the difference between New York, and New York City.

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13 hours ago, falconersys said:

Statistics and studies back her claim. Instead of arguing about the (multiple) studies, we could all proactively acknowledge our potential biases and work towards fixing the problem.

Do first generation immigrants to this nation, also have these so called "potential biases" you guys claim exists?

How about minorities?

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