Elderly coworkers becoming a burden.

Nurses Relations

Published

I work on a busy telemetry unit. We have an RN on night shift that is in her 70s and while she is the nicest, sweet old lady, with a great sense of humor, when it comes to nursing, ITS TIME TO RETIRE GRANDMA. The saddest thing about this situation is that she genuinely cares about her patients, she talks kindly to them and really wants to help, unfortunately she looks like she should BE the patient, not caring for one. We recently (over a year ago) switched to a new computer system and her computer skills were poor to begin with. She can't enter simple orders, if she looks away from the cursor when scrolling she steers the mouse off that direction and doesnt understand why the screen isn't moving. If there is an alert or warning on a med when she is trying to administer it that patient had better just forget about it. She cries in front of patients when she gets flustered, she cries on the phone with doctors when she is flustered. The worst is when she sits at her computer at the nurses station for hours muttering in a high pitched whine to herself. She complains to herself about not knowing what is going on with the computer. We have all started ignoring her because she wont ask for help, its like she is just hinting out loud hoping for someone to come to her rescue. We used to help her but its to the point now we all want to run and duck for cover. Even when you show her things she is already so flustered at that point its like the information bounces right off. You don't want to show her, you just want to jerk the keyboard out of the way and fix it for her and go on about your day. If we didn't work in the profession we did it might be easier to accomodate her but we are already so busy, so short staffed, and already taking care of a bunch of other helpless geriatrics, its frustrating to have to carry the burden of another employee (elderly or not). She also does things old school ways sometimes and then when newer staff members do them different the patients complain or are concerned about their care. For example, if a patient is giving her a hard time about smoking she will facilitate a smoke break for them just to avoid the confrontation. If the next shift doesn't do that the patient obviously thinks 1 of the 2 is a bad nurse or not qualified and dislikes being jerked around.

Whats more frustrating is the things she gets exempt from because she doesn't do them correctly. We prep patients for bypass surgeries and the whole process is lenghty, time consuming and requires a lot of paperwork, not to mention inserting 2 gigantic IVs, having extra tubing and equipment ready to go with the patient, and preparing the chart, etc etc. She consistently forgot things or didn't do things correctly and the CVOR complained on her so much that eventually when she got a patient assignment that included a CABG prep, she stated our manager said she isnt to take them anymore because she never does them right. HOW IS THAT FAIR? You make the same amount of money, if not more (since you came with the building when it was built), but you arent expected to do the same tasks? In addition the supervisors are annoyed with her so if she is scheduled and someone is to be put on call or needs to leave during the shift because the census drops--its always her because they don't want to put up with her.

I have had patients wake up in the middle of the night and see her in the hall and turn on their light to ask me if they are dreaming or if she is real because of the way she looks. She frightens some of them (long, white ponytail, bright blue eyeshadow). Also, she falls asleep, almost to the point of us thinking she might be narcoleptic. She used to do it frequently when we taped report, less so now that we do face to face, but she has even fallen asleep at the desk in the middle of that. I feel bad because as I said, she is nice and if she were capable she would help you with anything, but a lot of us are starting to think she might not be safe anymore. The issue also is with the hospital which is severly short staffed and just needs a warm body to show up, for which she qualifies.

Anyone else have slow and/or elderly employees they are concerned about/for? Let's hear it.

Specializes in Emergency & Trauma/Adult ICU.

I feel like I have read posts here that complained about coworkers of every stripe. But the "too old" jab stands out to me ... because EVERY SINGLE ONE OF US will be old someday, unless we are UNLUCKY ENOUGH to not live to be old.

And those of you who are convinced that you will *never* work "past your expiration date" better be rolling your pennies, because your shelf life just might expire while you're not looking.

Specializes in Pediatrics, Women’s Health.

I work with a couple older nurses. Sometimes they need help with tasks that require strength and occasionally things involving the computer. And you know what? I gladly help them. Some of them have been nurses longer than I have been alive and they are excellent resources when I need help solving a problem. We all have strengths and weaknesses, and we need to take advantage of each other.

That being said, maybe this lady is a crappy coworker, I don't know. The point is that you can't avoid sounding like an ass when you are attributing it solely to her age and refer to her as grandma, as you so eloquently did in your first post. How did you think this thread would end for you?

Specializes in Neuro ICU/Trauma/Emergency.

I am in my late 20's and I work with many elderly nurses; quite frankly they have been some of the biggest assets to our team. To be honest, many RNs would poke their noses to LPNs but most of my knowledge has come from working with a 68y.o. LPN with 40+ yrs of experience.

Moral of this post, never be too cocky or in a hury to think you can not learn from those older and more experienced than you. You may know computer charting, but do you know how to do patient care effectively? Do you know how to care for a patient's needs without medications? Many new nurses lack both!

I worked with two nurses in their 70's and learned so much from them! One had even been an original staff nurse when our clinic was founded! They had the better work ethic and great methods that most newer nurses don't have.

Specializes in Leadership, Psych, HomeCare, Amb. Care.
But the question is: What if she were NOT a good nurse anymore? What if she were a danger to her patients? How would you and your colleagues have handled it?

If she was not safe, she would need to either move to an area that she could practice safely, or would be told respectfully that it was time to retire.

Specializes in LTC Rehab Med/Surg.

I precepted a new nurse about a year ago.

I demonstrated how to insert an NG.

I showed him/her how to mix an antibiotic.

I reviewed med calculations

I even went with him/her to give an IM injection, even though I found it beyond belief that they didn't know how to give it. I didn't roll my eyes. Make fun of them, or laugh behind their back with my "geriatric" co-workers.

After a year, this same new nurse disrespects me at every turn. Every misspoken word, misplaced object, or lapse in memory I have in his/her presence is blown up and pointed out. Incidents that wouldn't be remarked upon, if the person were 25 instead of my age 56. There have been a couple of comments about my age, when he/she is working with nurses who are younger.

I can assure you I have not become demented in the past year.

This post alarms me because the OP has demonstrated exactly how to railroad someone out of a job. Make a comment. Point out a discrepancy. Whisper, point, laugh, and ridicule, until everybody is certain the "old lady" is a liability.

I wonder why/if your managers haven't talked to her about moving to a slower paced unit?

Specializes in Critical Care.

Such a sticky issue (that's putting it mildly, ha) ....

I can see both sides of the issue. In this case, if there is truly reason to be concerned for patient safety it seems like the best course of action would be to take those concerns up the ladder in a factual, unemotional manner. No matter what management decides this nurse deserves the compassion and respect of her colleagues.

Specializes in LTC, assisted living, med-surg, psych.

.

Unless you have been in the position that you had to admit you were too ill to continue being a nurse, you have no idea how painful that decision is. It's like having a piece of your heart ripped out. As much as we may complain about all that is wrong with nursing, for many of us, it's in our blood.

It's easy to say this older nurse should just leave, but like I said, unless you've been in the position of having to resign, knowing that was your last day of nursing forever, you really need to think about having a little more compassion for your co-worker.

Yes. THIS. ^^

I'm in my mid-50s, not ancient by any means, but I too have had to "semi-retire" because of issues stemming from my mental-health diagnosis and the medications used to treat it. I have anxiety, can't handle multiple demands, and I'm distractible and forgetful. Not exactly the kind of nurse I'd feel comfortable with taking care of my loved one!

Realizing that I'm not the nurse I used to be and taking myself off the floor is one of the hardest things I've ever had to do. I don't know how to do anything else. But even though my condition is currently stable, changes occurred in my brain while I was acutely ill that I will probably never completely recover from, and I can't fix that. Nursing for me now is like wading through peanut butter---it takes energy I don't have, and it discourages me to be unable to keep up with my co-workers.

Being the resourceful person I am, I could compensate for most of that....if only I felt safe. But I don't.

Everyone has met that one nurse who should've hung up her stethoscope years ago, and who for one reason or another refuses to leave. I don't want to be that nurse, so now I only do admissions for the nursing home where I work, plus the occasional short med pass where that's the only thing I have to focus on. It's all I can do anymore, and it would break my heart to be judged and made fun of by my co-workers for being slow, and old, and mentally ill on top of that.

Perhaps, OP, you could find it in your heart to forgive that elderly nurse's appearance and mannerisms.......you don't know what she's been through, what she's suffered, or what her problems may be. She may indeed not be competent to practice in her current setting, and that is a matter for her supervisors to be made aware of; it's not for you to say "Give it up, Grandma!" (a gratuitously ugly assessment of the situation, IMHO).

And remember: One day, if you're lucky, you too will be old. If you're UNlucky, you may also be slow, odd-looking, and more easily flustered.

Remember.

[quote=o3lissao;7491233

To bring up another subject someone bashed me for related to this post, the more I think about it, it grates on me too that people acted like I shouldn't have mentioned her appearance. The hospital addresses appearance and dress code in their orientation and policy so why shouldn't someone's appearance be held against them? We have nurses that come in with a thong climbing up their back every time the bend over and patients complain but no one would have been mad if I had mentioned that. We have nurses come in looking like they just rolled out of bed and slept in their scrubs and we have had patients and families complain about that. No one would have disagreed. A persons appearance greatly influences your first impression of them and sometimes the way she looks makes some patients and families question her capabilities. Plain and simple.

Is there something in the dress code about not wearing ponytails or blue eyeshadow?

Specializes in Oncology.
I gotta speak up.

OP I totally sympathize and understand. Everyone is jumping down your throat, ready to beat their little drums and scream "generalizing! Ageism! Meanie! Gossiper! Waaaah!" Instead of offering you any ideas on how to cope with this very difficult situation. I, for one, believe people are so addicted to victim mentality & will do anything to feel the gratification of defensively moralizing, they IMMEDIATELY cry "isms" the second anyone is bloody honest about an elephant in the room. Most of the responses are so nauseatingly sanctimonious they defeat their own purpose. EVERYONE is judgmental, it is a human trait, and usually the MOST judgmental ones are the ones who say they AREN'T. Nothing is more embarrassing than self-congratulatory moralizing. Ignore them. Their hand-wringing, gasping offense is not only missing your point, but isn't constructive to you OR this old nurse.

I think many of the issues you present have almost EVERYTHING to do with age, and for a bunch of people educated in cognitive development and senescence concepts, you all sure are in denial. This nurse is TOO OLD TO PRACTICE SAFELY ANY MORE. Plain and simple. She just doesn't have the chops! And so what? Losing your ability to learn quickly and work a physical job that requires precision and speed is NORMAL for many at that age, why are so many acting SHOCKED? Because the OP didn't present her feelings all wrapped up in a pretty, perfectly-worded, sparkly glitter package of compassionate, politically correct rainbow language?

Come on. I didn't get the impression she was part of some evil clique of youngins,' out to purposely make this nurse cry. I didn't get the impression they all roll their eyes at her and mock her, or snicker and giggle about her appearance. You guys are jumping to predictable conclusions you're all WAY too conditioned to jump to!!! What happened to critical thinking?

I got the impression that this nurse is an old relic, a really nice lady with a big heart who the management is afraid to deal with for fear of "ageism." I got the impression that she pulls theatrics about technology, makes more work for everyone, looks weird enough to make patients and families question her, and plain old doesn't do her JOB. It's deeply unfair to the other employees that they have to cover for her and put up with her whining, and ESPECIALLY unfair to patients that she might not be providing safe care!

I'm sure she's a wonderful person, but even the most wonderful of us have a professional expiration date. That is just the cold truth in nursing. The OP is absolutely within her rights to feel fed UP with this situation. I worked with someone similar, and while I absolutely loved and respected her as a human being, she was doing things in our clinic that slowed everyone down, compromised patient safety, made a bad impression on families, and screwed up our documentation so bad we often found ourselves staying over to fix her mess. She was technology-resistant, insisting on still using carbon order slips, and also had long, scraggly grey hair, patched scrubs and perpetually smudged red clown lipstick. She looked, acted and WAS unprofessional, and it TOTALLY had to do with her age! What's so wrong with the truth? People get OLD, slow DOWN, and can't keep up any more. Maybe that's okay for professions where people don't have human LIVES in their hands, but for floor nursing, absolutely not.

She would probably be a great case manager or telephone triage nurse. But she is dangerous at the bedside and unprofessional and I firmly stand with the OP in being concerned about that.

Absolutely EVERYTHING in this post... I couldn't have said anything better.

AMEN to Esme 12's post!! I LOVED your response to the OP post!!

+ Add a Comment