Elderly coworkers becoming a burden.

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I work on a busy telemetry unit. We have an RN on night shift that is in her 70s and while she is the nicest, sweet old lady, with a great sense of humor, when it comes to nursing, ITS TIME TO RETIRE GRANDMA. The saddest thing about this situation is that she genuinely cares about her patients, she talks kindly to them and really wants to help, unfortunately she looks like she should BE the patient, not caring for one. We recently (over a year ago) switched to a new computer system and her computer skills were poor to begin with. She can't enter simple orders, if she looks away from the cursor when scrolling she steers the mouse off that direction and doesnt understand why the screen isn't moving. If there is an alert or warning on a med when she is trying to administer it that patient had better just forget about it. She cries in front of patients when she gets flustered, she cries on the phone with doctors when she is flustered. The worst is when she sits at her computer at the nurses station for hours muttering in a high pitched whine to herself. She complains to herself about not knowing what is going on with the computer. We have all started ignoring her because she wont ask for help, its like she is just hinting out loud hoping for someone to come to her rescue. We used to help her but its to the point now we all want to run and duck for cover. Even when you show her things she is already so flustered at that point its like the information bounces right off. You don't want to show her, you just want to jerk the keyboard out of the way and fix it for her and go on about your day. If we didn't work in the profession we did it might be easier to accomodate her but we are already so busy, so short staffed, and already taking care of a bunch of other helpless geriatrics, its frustrating to have to carry the burden of another employee (elderly or not). She also does things old school ways sometimes and then when newer staff members do them different the patients complain or are concerned about their care. For example, if a patient is giving her a hard time about smoking she will facilitate a smoke break for them just to avoid the confrontation. If the next shift doesn't do that the patient obviously thinks 1 of the 2 is a bad nurse or not qualified and dislikes being jerked around.

Whats more frustrating is the things she gets exempt from because she doesn't do them correctly. We prep patients for bypass surgeries and the whole process is lenghty, time consuming and requires a lot of paperwork, not to mention inserting 2 gigantic IVs, having extra tubing and equipment ready to go with the patient, and preparing the chart, etc etc. She consistently forgot things or didn't do things correctly and the CVOR complained on her so much that eventually when she got a patient assignment that included a CABG prep, she stated our manager said she isnt to take them anymore because she never does them right. HOW IS THAT FAIR? You make the same amount of money, if not more (since you came with the building when it was built), but you arent expected to do the same tasks? In addition the supervisors are annoyed with her so if she is scheduled and someone is to be put on call or needs to leave during the shift because the census drops--its always her because they don't want to put up with her.

I have had patients wake up in the middle of the night and see her in the hall and turn on their light to ask me if they are dreaming or if she is real because of the way she looks. She frightens some of them (long, white ponytail, bright blue eyeshadow). Also, she falls asleep, almost to the point of us thinking she might be narcoleptic. She used to do it frequently when we taped report, less so now that we do face to face, but she has even fallen asleep at the desk in the middle of that. I feel bad because as I said, she is nice and if she were capable she would help you with anything, but a lot of us are starting to think she might not be safe anymore. The issue also is with the hospital which is severly short staffed and just needs a warm body to show up, for which she qualifies.

Anyone else have slow and/or elderly employees they are concerned about/for? Let's hear it.

Specializes in Operating Room.

OMG, I've experienced the same during clinicals. I'm sorry but I laughed the whole while reading this post. She definitely needs to retire or be sent to another department that's less complicated. Hopefully, shes has family and not one of those who doesn't want to be alone or unwanted. At that age they are so set in their ways and behind on ANY upgraded technology. Eventually, though, she'll get the picture. Until then give her some encouragement.

Specializes in MDS/ UR.
If patients complain or question her capabilities, then you need to get the house supervisor involved. Like one would with any complaint that a patient has about a nurse.

If you work short staffed, how would that be any different than what is apparently happening now? So one way or another, you will seemingly have more of a workload.

Bottom line, if you had discussed a nurse who was unsafe, couldn't deal with the computers, the workload and the patients but management kept her on due to just needing a warm body, then the focus would have been on constructive ways that this could be dealt with, what others have done in similar circumstances.

When you use inflammatory comments to describe age, suggest that she is slow, and that her looks have a thing to do with anything--then you are fanning the flames for some pretty strong response.

I am finding your responses to be more and more over the top, so by nature I question the validity. However, instead of venting, perhaps you need to speak to your charge nurse to handle the difficulties in the moment, or put in incident reports, field patient complaints, and it seems as if you are all disappearing when she is having computer issues--and the powers that be do track that stuff, so it is not as if it will be an unknown to them that computer errors are being made.

It is not becoming of anyone's character to be that hateful towards another person. Especially in the workplace. (But really, in life). And if things are happening that this nurse is truly mentally incapacitated, (no matter what the age) and is acting inappropriately at work, why is it that you all would take time from your critical patients to gossip about this? Or to bring it to a message board to get other "ha ha funny/outrageous" tales of nurses who may have significant cognitive/psych impairments? You have an ethical duty to report unsafe nursing. To continue to allow this nurse to humilate herself, and help her along with your own tales is really just not nice or the compassionate thing to do.

To continue to really bully this nurse instead of concrete solutions/actions like she is some freak show at the circus is just not an honorable thing to do.

Standing ovation.

Specializes in CNA/HHA 1995-2009.

age discrimination? hmmmmmmmmm...............:no:

Specializes in CCM, PHN.

I gotta speak up.

OP I totally sympathize and understand. Everyone is jumping down your throat, ready to beat their little drums and scream "generalizing! Ageism! Meanie! Gossiper! Waaaah!" Instead of offering you any ideas on how to cope with this very difficult situation. I, for one, believe people are so addicted to victim mentality & will do anything to feel the gratification of defensively moralizing, they IMMEDIATELY cry "isms" the second anyone is bloody honest about an elephant in the room. Most of the responses are so nauseatingly sanctimonious they defeat their own purpose. EVERYONE is judgmental, it is a human trait, and usually the MOST judgmental ones are the ones who say they AREN'T. Nothing is more embarrassing than self-congratulatory moralizing. Ignore them. Their hand-wringing, gasping offense is not only missing your point, but isn't constructive to you OR this old nurse.

I think many of the issues you present have almost EVERYTHING to do with age, and for a bunch of people educated in cognitive development and senescence concepts, you all sure are in denial. This nurse is TOO OLD TO PRACTICE SAFELY ANY MORE. Plain and simple. She just doesn't have the chops! And so what? Losing your ability to learn quickly and work a physical job that requires precision and speed is NORMAL for many at that age, why are so many acting SHOCKED? Because the OP didn't present her feelings all wrapped up in a pretty, perfectly-worded, sparkly glitter package of compassionate, politically correct rainbow language?

Come on. I didn't get the impression she was part of some evil clique of youngins,' out to purposely make this nurse cry. I didn't get the impression they all roll their eyes at her and mock her, or snicker and giggle about her appearance. You guys are jumping to predictable conclusions you're all WAY too conditioned to jump to!!! What happened to critical thinking?

I got the impression that this nurse is an old relic, a really nice lady with a big heart who the management is afraid to deal with for fear of "ageism." I got the impression that she pulls theatrics about technology, makes more work for everyone, looks weird enough to make patients and families question her, and plain old doesn't do her JOB. It's deeply unfair to the other employees that they have to cover for her and put up with her whining, and ESPECIALLY unfair to patients that she might not be providing safe care!

I'm sure she's a wonderful person, but even the most wonderful of us have a professional expiration date. That is just the cold truth in nursing. The OP is absolutely within her rights to feel fed UP with this situation. I worked with someone similar, and while I absolutely loved and respected her as a human being, she was doing things in our clinic that slowed everyone down, compromised patient safety, made a bad impression on families, and screwed up our documentation so bad we often found ourselves staying over to fix her mess. She was technology-resistant, insisting on still using carbon order slips, and also had long, scraggly grey hair, patched scrubs and perpetually smudged red clown lipstick. She looked, acted and WAS unprofessional, and it TOTALLY had to do with her age! What's so wrong with the truth? People get OLD, slow DOWN, and can't keep up any more. Maybe that's okay for professions where people don't have human LIVES in their hands, but for floor nursing, absolutely not.

She would probably be a great case manager or telephone triage nurse. But she is dangerous at the bedside and unprofessional and I firmly stand with the OP in being concerned about that.

McLennan THANK YOU. I promise I am not a bad person, I am not an ageist, I don't go to work with the intentions of being negative and ruining someone's day. I'm a real person with real limits working at a hospital like so many with its flaws trying to deal.

Ok people, I agree I posted this when I was annoyed in the heat of the moment and came off a little more harsh than I meant too. But let me clarify some things. First, the smoking thing. Our campus has a strict NO SMOKING policy so helpful or not, it poses a major issue when a nurse escorts a patient off the property to ha e a cigarette. They wander over with IV poles, PCA pumps, all that jazz, across a busy street. If that patient gets hit by a car and dies I'm responsible for them, so in terms of going that extra mile, not thanks. No cigarette with worth my license. Next, I do know why she is still working, like someone up there mentioned, she is having difficult retiring because of financial issues. That doesn't make it any less of an issue when I'm trying to care for my patients and have to stop and put out a fire for her. We all have problems. In terms of the bullying and lateral violence, none of us flat out look her in the face and call her old or names. It's just one of those things that comes up when we are in the parking lot on the way out like "man tonight was rough" and mention briefly that she was a contributing factor. It's not like we kick our feet up at the desk and have a hate fest at her expense. As far as wanting to jerk the keyboard from her and fix the computer, that has never actually happened. When we switched to this computer system I was actually the person that came in an extra night to shadow her the entire shift to try to guide her computer troubles but let me tell ya, a person can only take so much. All of the above mentioned was true accounts of the situation, but some of the rhetoric may have been a little more scathing than necessary. But the same people that are telling me not to "judge" are judging me for feeling like I do. I can't help if some people work with older nurses who are so incredie, some aren't and that's just the facts! I'm not saying I've never made a mistake. And in reference to people thinking management wouldn't allow this if they knew it was going on, our hospital is kind of falling apart and just treading water and I couldn't make you believe or understand the crazy stuff that goes on there, this being the least of them. More importantly, this was a post just to rant and see if anyone else had ever experienced the same issues or might have been feeling a little grouchy too. A way to vent instead of taking it out on a co-worker who I know is kind and loves her patients and her job, but might be in the way time to time. Geeze people!

This nurse may no longer be the hottest thing in shoe leather but one will bet she knows about paragraphs.

Specializes in MDS/ UR.
McLennan THANK YOU. I promise I am not a bad person, I am not an ageist, I don't go to work with the intentions of being negative and ruining someone's day. I'm a real person with real limits working at a hospital like so many with its flaws trying to deal.

Perhaps your real issue is not this nurse per se but something more?

Specializes in ER, Addictions, Geriatrics.

This nurse may no longer be the hottest thing in shoe leather but one will bet she knows about paragraphs.

Lol! I'm sorry, but that make me giggle.

WOW I hope when you're 70 the new nurse treats you with more respect. The comments aren't very funny if you all make these jokes at work thats totally unprofessional and well frankly SAD. . Have you considered how much you could learn from such a seasoned nurse? I'm a fresh grad and would be glad to be with someone who had so many years in nursing experience with me on the floor. being able to type fast or enter in HER documentation doesn't put her pts at jeopardy and while I'm new I can't see how it affects your job. My biggest fears entering into the field are 2 things. 1. being put in charge too soon and 2. "lateral violence" I'm big on teamwork and really hope I can find a group of nurses who want to build each other up and do what's best for the patient not work on tearing each other down and pointing out their faults like how old they are :( .. I understand we will be looking at a nursing shortage with more than 50% of working RNs are over the age of 50 but at the same time having nothing but new younger grads isn't what is best for patients either. There is a lot to be said for "experience".

Specializes in Oncology; medical specialty website.

A few years ago I became ill. Not some puny URI or a gi bug...I'm talking about the kind of sick everyone prays to God they never have to deal with. That kind of sick.

After I recuperated from surgery (8 weeks) I went back to work on limited hours. Just making it to four hours was a heroic effort. During the time I was out, my facility went "live" with their new EMR system. Sure, I'd had training prior to being out on sick leave, but I didn't remember anything by the time I went back.

Thankfully, I had a very kind, patient group of nurses I worked with. They let me do as much (or as little) as I was able. They found things for me to do that would allow me to sit. They encouraged me to take breaks. No one got exasperated when I had to ask for the third time in four hours how to document something. They repeatedly assured me that anything I did, even just answering a few bells or starting IVs, was a big help for them.

Unfortunately, I didn't recover from my illness to the point that would allow me to go back to work full-time and resume my previous activities. I had to make the very difficult decision to resign. Unless you have been in the position that you had to admit you were too ill to continue being a nurse, you have no idea how painful that decision is. It's like having a piece of your heart ripped out. As much as we may complain about all that is wrong with nursing, for many of us, it's in our blood.

I was very fortunate to work with nurses who cared about me and supported me. No one made fun of me on the days I felt too crappy to put makeup on. They didn't fear that I would scare the patients when I lost my lashes and brows; I wasn't criticized if was too fatigued to try to put on false lashes and draw on eyebrows. My scrubs were clean, but they weren't pressed, but that was good enough for them. One day I went into the bathroom and noticed my wig was crooked, but no one had laughed at me. When I needed to leave in the middle of work because I found out my counts were dangerously low, they didn't complain about staffing...they cared about me.

It's easy to say this older nurse should just leave, but like I said, unless you've been in the position of having to resign, knowing that was your last day of nursing forever, you really need to think about having a little more compassion for your co-worker. My colleagues weren't perfect by any means, but they had my back, both when I was sick and when I made the decision to resign.

That was one of the most difficult times in my life. I am so thankful I had people working with me who were compassionate and professional.

Specializes in NICU.

I guess OP you have your answer. Everybody here thinks you should put on a happy face and do your job (and hers) and like it. You need to give her the easiest patient on your unit and the rest of the staff take the rest of the patients. Have her hand write everything on a piece of paper and at the end of your shift you can enter all of her documentation for her. Hopefully, in the next 15-20 yrs she will retire. That is not to long to have to wait is it.

Specializes in Pain, critical care, administration, med.

I don't quite know how to respond to this post. Many opposing views as to whether this is bullying. Take out the age, color if hair and makeup. What is the real issue? Is this nurse incompetent ? Does she provide unsafe care? Is she negligent in her care. Does she make errors? Not being able to manage the computer doesn't make a bad nurse that needs to retire.

We need to learn patience and be helpful to her or anyone who is having difficulty. Each generation particularly the 60+ nurses have so much knowledge and life experience we all could benefit from.

I have a nurse who has been a nurse for over forty years. She can be difficult as she is set in her ways. But she has earned the respect of all the staff. They love her. She takes all the new and young nurses and grows them. She is named on a monthly basis by patients on press ganey.

So I think you need to re-evaluate the real issue and your personal feelings.

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