The way that this Covid vaccine works is quite different from the flu shot. The Covid vax. is not a (dead) bacteria or virus being injected into your body. (With Pfizer & Moderna) RNA (called messenger RNA) that's been coded in a lab goes into your arm. The RNA has instructions, or a code, that gets deposited on the cell. The ribosomes of the cell make a spike protein. It looks similar to the spike protein on the surface of the actual Corona virus. Then your body is supposed to make antibodies (antigens) that goes after the spike protein and neutralize it.
The problem is that this has not been tested in any long-term studies, so, this is more of an experiment. We don't know whether or not the DNA gets permanently changed (possibly bad). We're talking about something that's not supposed to be in your body (made in a lab) that can bind to the surface of your cells and possibly may not be able to be reversed.
Also, since the drug is still being evaluated for long term adverse effects, pregnancy, etc., the FDA would not license the drug, but instead, put out as EUA... Emergency Use Authorization.
All nurses have medical experience as do I. Covid isn't rocket science. Numerous tests are available. Symptoms are evident. And, we rule out medical problems before engaging in psychiatric tx.
I also read a lot because my life depends upon it. Covid is no joke!
Hey baby, reading doesn't give you the real, hardcore, ugly aspects of this disease. How can you act like you can tell me something about this whole thing,when you haven't lived it. Don't come for me anymore. As some of you have thrown out to me here, now YOUR credibility is proving to be a bit faulty.
Specializes in Vents, Telemetry, Home Care, Home infusion.
2 hours ago, Shelby91 said:
It is a fact that hospitals receive more reimbursement for people diagnosed with covid. It is a fact. You can have a 94 year old pt with a severe g.I. bleed, sitting with a hgb of 3, and if they happen to test positive for covid during that particular hospital stay, even with no covid symptoms, and they expire..oh it was covid.
There are specific coding guidelines in order to get paid --and not be charged with UPCODING in your situation. PRINCIPAL diagnosis gets coded first - Gastrointestinal hemorrhage=K92.2, secondary diagnosis all other conditions affecting hospitalization/manifestations then COVID: U07.1 listed.
When COVID-19 meets the definition of principal diagnosis, code U07.1, COVID-19, should be sequenced first, followed by the appropriate codes for associated manifestations,
Additional payment for covid doesn't even touch true cost of providing care for moderate-severe cases especially for those in ICU.
But you’ve yet to show any concrete evidence yourself of negative effects outside the normal scope of ANY vaccine or medication.
I don't have to show concrete evidence regarding the point I'm trying to get across...
There is none, there is no evidence for you all that praise it and there is none for those of us that question it...YET. So I'm really not sure why you even felt the need to quote my line..
There are specific coding guidelines in order to get paid --and not be charged with UPCODING in your situation. PRINCIPAL diagnosis gets coded first - Gastrointestinal hemorrhage=K92.2, secondary diagnosis all other conditions affecting hospitalization/manifestations then COVID: U07.1 listed.
Well, I'm not really sure what kind of way you tried to church that up and make it seem like it had some class, but like I said, hospitals do receive more reimbursement for "covid" cases. I'm a nurse, not an auditor or medical billing associate;I'm just telling it like it is FROM FIRST HAND EXPERIENCE. Just like everyone that received these stimulus payments (which will wind up costing the hard working Joe's like myself), the hospitals are paid more for pts that are diagnosed with covid, even when it was CLEARLY not what caused them to die.
There are specific coding guidelines in order to get paid --and not be charged with UPCODING in your situation. PRINCIPAL diagnosis gets coded first - Gastrointestinal hemorrhage=K92.2, secondary diagnosis all other conditions affecting hospitalization/manifestations then COVID: U07.1 listed.
Additional payment for covid doesn't even touch true cost of providing care for moderate-severe cases especially for those in ICU.
The whole point of me mentioning that these hospitals receive more funding for their covid cases is to highlight the fact that this whole thing has been exaggerated. For corporate and political gain. It's funny you didn't hear jack about the flu this year right? Naw. y'all didn't pay attention to that, you're hyperfocused on exactly what they want you to be concentrated on..History repeats itself. Drink the koolaid..Go for it. Floating like frogs oblivious to the water starting boil, Noone flinches, just float face down.It's sad.
Hey baby, reading doesn't give you the real, hardcore, ugly aspects of this disease. How can you act like you can tell me something about this whole thing,when you haven't lived it. Don't come for me anymore. As some of you have thrown out to me here, now YOUR credibility is proving to be a bit faulty.
Just read about that Texan real estate woman caught up in the Insurrection. Now she's facing charges, like all the rest, her response is that she was fed a lie.
Personally, as long as you don't infect anyone, stay with your craziness. Except, you guys never practice due diligence on anything you read or people you listen to. You never take responsibility for anything which is why libs avoid you folks. I certainly won't have a republican as girlfriend material only because I don't trust your judgment which means you will be trouble down the road.
Information is the same thing. I liken it to a GPS. Improperly loaded GPS will get me lost. Uninformed people will cause me trouble. Ask Sidney Powell, Rudi Guilliaini, Roger Stone, Michael Flynn etc etc. How many indicted, convicted?
Anti vaxxers are more likely to be ill and therefore contaminated. So I avoid them to avoid being infected!
Hey baby, reading doesn't give you the real, hardcore, ugly aspects of this disease. How can you act like you can tell me something about this whole thing,when you haven't lived it. Don't come for me anymore. As some of you have thrown out to me here, now YOUR credibility is proving to be a bit faulty.
Haven't had a heart attack yet or a stroke but I can assure you that I will try my utmost to avoid them!
Just read about that Texan real estate woman caught up in the Insurrection. Now she's facing charges, like all the rest, her response is that she was fed a lie.
Personally, as long as you don't infect anyone, stay with your craziness. Except, you guys never practice due diligence on anything you read or people you listen to. You never take responsibility for anything which is why libs avoid you folks. I certainly won't have a republican as girlfriend material only because I don't trust your judgment which means you will be trouble down the road.
Information is the same thing. I liken it to a GPS. Improperly loaded GPS will get me lost. Uninformed people will cause me trouble. Ask Sidney Powell, Rudi Guilliaini, Roger Stone, Michael Flynn etc etc. How many indicted, convicted?
Anti vaxxers are more likely to be ill and therefore contaminated. So I avoid them to avoid being
My craziness. I think people like you are crazy. Again, let the chips fall where they may. Let psych nurses stay in psych nurses' places, and not argue with nurses that actually take care of these covid positive patients in real life situations..I call an ace an ace, a spade a spade. The universe tends to unfold as it should?
Specializes in NICU, PICU, Transport, L&D, Hospice.
46 minutes ago, Shelby91 said:
You have anxiety about long term negative consequences of vaccination and nothing more. Why do you have that anxiety? Why is that anxiety driving your decision making rather than the known science?
You have anxiety about long term negative consequences of vaccination and nothing more. Why do you have that anxiety? Why is that anxiety driving your decision making rather than the known science?
Don't ask me anything else, you have been one of the people that has criticized me the whole time I've been on this cite. There is no known science about future effects. Good luck to you though
Specializes in NICU, PICU, Transport, L&D, Hospice.
2 minutes ago, Shelby91 said:
Don't ask me anything else, you have been one of the people that has criticized me the whole time I've been on this cite. There is no known science about future effects. Good luck to you though
I'll address whomever I prefer. I'll ask you as many questions as I prefer to try to inspire you to think. Whether you decide to respond is on you.
You have zero evidence or data which would suggest that these vaccines would be more likely to cause serious long term problems, yet that is the primary anxiety that prevents you from accepting vaccination. That's not a decision based in the science or in critical thought. I'm certain that it's upsetting to have a stranger say that to you.
If you can't handle having that emotional and fear based decision making critiqued, you might want to refrain from making it the topic of conversation in a nursing forum. I don't know you. I'm responding to the information that you are giving me about covid vaccination.
No mRNA is gene therapy and does not meet the criteria for a vaccine because
1) mRNA does not impart immunity. Moderna and Pfizer admit in their clinical trials aren’t even looking at immunity. As such they do not fulfill the medical definition of a vaccine.
2) They do not inhibit transmissibility of SARS-CoV-2 infection. As such they do not fulfill the medical definition of a vaccine.
I brought this up because without getting into details a few years ago something happened... I then realized we are doing a disservice to our patients when we don’t offer proper informed consent in research and also yes the proper terms and words.
Also If you are talking about the viral vector vaccines you should be saying “a candidate for a vaccine”. This is the proper terminology since legally they are not approved by the FDA.
MedlinePlus.gov states gene therapy:
“Gene therapy is an experimental technique that uses genes to treat or prevent disease Researchers are testing several approaches to gene therapy, including: … Introducing a new gene into the body to help fight a disease
Although gene therapy is a promising treatment option for a number of diseases (including inherited disorders, some types of cancer, and certain viral infections), the technique remains risky and is still under study to make sure that it will be safe and effective. Gene therapy is currently being tested only for diseases that have no other cures.”
Y'all aren't telling your patients the Pfizer and/or Moderna gene therapies are vaccines, are you? Perhaps reconsider what you are actually informing your patients about.
The generally understood definition of a vaccine is a substance that stimulates the production of antibodies and provides some level of immunity against a disease.
The mRNA vaccines work by stimulating production of antibodies, and the level of immunity it provides is the primary measurement of the trials. And like other vaccines, it has already been shown to reduce transmission of the disease.
As an example, there's certainly some reasonable debate to be had on exactly what the effectiveness rate is of these vaccines in terms of immunity given varying methods of measuring effectiveness between the trials, but your suggestion that these vaccines are not actually vaccines, that it isn't intended to provide immunity, and that it won't prevent transmission of Covid is not just absurd, but recklessly dangerous, it's like telling people they shouldn't stop at stop signs because there is no benefit to doing so.
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Hey baby, reading doesn't give you the real, hardcore, ugly aspects of this disease. How can you act like you can tell me something about this whole thing,when you haven't lived it. Don't come for me anymore. As some of you have thrown out to me here, now YOUR credibility is proving to be a bit faulty.