The way that this Covid vaccine works is quite different from the flu shot. The Covid vax. is not a (dead) bacteria or virus being injected into your body. (With Pfizer & Moderna) RNA (called messenger RNA) that's been coded in a lab goes into your arm. The RNA has instructions, or a code, that gets deposited on the cell. The ribosomes of the cell make a spike protein. It looks similar to the spike protein on the surface of the actual Corona virus. Then your body is supposed to make antibodies (antigens) that goes after the spike protein and neutralize it.
The problem is that this has not been tested in any long-term studies, so, this is more of an experiment. We don't know whether or not the DNA gets permanently changed (possibly bad). We're talking about something that's not supposed to be in your body (made in a lab) that can bind to the surface of your cells and possibly may not be able to be reversed.
Also, since the drug is still being evaluated for long term adverse effects, pregnancy, etc., the FDA would not license the drug, but instead, put out as EUA... Emergency Use Authorization.
It's hogwash, pseudoscience and poorly sourced opinion. It's garbage information that reflects what you want perhaps.
Perhaps you don't realize that you began with the assumption that all participating here have only a single 4 credit hour course of Microbiology or similar education and then you made completely unrelated remarks about nutrition or other individual health status as if that had any bearing on the value of vaccinations to gain control of a pandemic.
I would agree with you that choosing not to vaccinate during a dangerous pandemic is a reckless health choice, like smoking.
How is nutrition unrelated to fighting a pandemic? Would adequate nutrition not help boost the immune system, giving those at risk a greater chance of overcoming the virus? Or do you only believe in pumping the body with chemicals that give the appearance that you’re actually helping boost the immune system?
My health status being above adequate is actually me showing that I care for my patients. By taking care of my body and avoiding sickness, I am able to provide proper care to my patients, and also show up to work.
The pandemic is dangerous to those over the age of 65 with multiple chronic diseases. Otherwise, it’s no worse than a seasonal flu.
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2 minutes ago, UndecidedDuke16 said:
How is nutrition unrelated to fighting a pandemic? Would adequate nutrition not help boost the immune system, giving those at risk a greater chance of overcoming the virus? Or do you only believe in pumping the body with chemicals that give the appearance that you’re actually helping boost the immune system?
My health status being above adequate is actually me showing that I care for my patients. By taking care of my body and avoiding sickness, I am able to provide proper care to my patients, and also show up to work.
The pandemic is dangerous to those over the age of 65 with multiple chronic diseases. Otherwise, it’s no worse than a seasonal flu.
Which pandemic was overcome by improving world nutrition? Maybe that's an unfair question. Which contagious epidemic has been controlled and mitigated by improving nutrition?
Do you often employ contrived binary choices in trying to make a point?
In your view, is advocating for healthy nutrition antithetical to vaccination for covid 19? If you think that covid is only dangerous for that narrow group you described then you aren't paying close attention.
The pandemic is dangerous to those over the age of 65 with multiple chronic diseases.
Asked and answered your own question!
Really basic immune system overwiew. Baby, antibodies mom.... grows..... inoculations..... exposed.... more antibodies etc etc! Older folks.... illnesses..... compromised immune systems from medications, illnesses etc etc.... more susceptibility!
Therefore flu vaccines and additional like covid when it comes along. A healthy immune system is helpful but unless you have discovered Ponce de Leon's treasure, take the bloody vaccine so I can go party. It's Spring man. Sunshine and booze!
Which pandemic was overcome by improving world nutrition? Maybe that's an unfair question. Which contagious epidemic has been controlled and mitigated by improving nutrition?
Do you often employ contrived binary choices in trying to make a point?
In your view, is advocating for healthy nutrition antithetical to vaccination for covid 19? If you think that covid is only dangerous for that narrow group you described then you aren't paying close attention.
I’ve visited the CDC website several times to look at who is dying from Covid. And it isn’t people who are young and healthy. Maybe take a trip to the website yourself and you’d see the data that states over 50% of people hospitalized with covid are obese, and have an average of two chronic health conditions. All of these are preventable with nutrition and exercise.
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1 hour ago, Jack Peace said:
Autism used to be 1 in 10,000 , now it's estimated at about 1 in 50 . What has changed in society since then? The volume of inoculations is much larger now than anytime in the past.
what changed? SCIENCE. Autism is better understood and it's on a SPECTRUM now. That changed. It's recognized earlier. Once again you ignore the years and years of research since that ding bat Jenny McCarthy and that so-called doctor started their rampage 20-odd years ago.
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5 minutes ago, UndecidedDuke16 said:
I’ve visited the CDC website several times to look at who is dying from Covid. And it isn’t people who are young and healthy. Maybe take a trip to the website yourself and you’d see the data that states over 50% of people hospitalized with covid are obese, and have an average of two chronic health conditions. All of these are preventable with nutrition and exercise.
It sounds like you are minimizing the deaths of the thousands of people aged 18-64 who died from covid 19 related illness. It took me less than a minute to confirm tens of thousands of deaths. Now would you like to talk about long term suffering and illness following infection with covid 19? You speak as though only elderly or unwell people are victimized or killed by this virus. That is very naive.
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And discounting any death from COVID is distasteful. My aunt died of this and she was just about to get out of the hospital when the thing took her down. Comorbidities do raise risk; but you don't know the whole story. For example, pregnant women who get this in their 3rd trimester are at huge risk. Pregnancy is normally a healthy condition, so there's that. My daughter is pregnant; she is not getting the vaccine yet cause it has not been offered. I want her and her baby to have a fighting chance, and that chance is increasing herd immunity!
Surely those of you on here who stand so strongly behind this vaccine, with all of your in depth knowledge and wisdom in Microbiology and virology (from the one 4-credit course) that is required for a bachelors in nursing, .....
I was a MedTech in a clinical county lab for 9 years before I became a nurse. I worked in hematology, Chemistry, toxicology, virology and micro. Shhhhh.
Does anyone want to discuss how the majority of persons dying from Covid are over the age of 65, with an average of over two chronic diseases?
Tell that to the families of the 32 year old pregnant (28 weeks) patient or the 51 year old triathlete or the 17 year old high school student or tens of thousands of others who don't fit neatly into your unfounded generalization. Pretty bold of you to minimize the actual deaths that have happened in this pandemic. Shame on you.
It sounds like you are minimizing the deaths of the thousands of people aged 18-64 who died from covid 19 related illness. It took me less than a minute to confirm tens of thousands of deaths. Now would you like to talk about long term suffering and illness following infection with covid 19? You speak as though only elderly or unwell people are victimized or killed by this virus. That is very naive.
I am not minimizing the deaths. But I do not agree with mandatory vaccinations, social isolation, and shutting down the entire country for over a year over Covid. Are you going to support the shutting down of peoples lives and businesses until no one dies from Covid ever again? People die every day. There will be more pandemics. Do we shut down the world down for every future pandemic? Covid is setting a dangerous precedent for future generations.
Chronic respiratory illness and cardiovascular illness kill millions of people every year. Medical errors alone kill millions of people every year. Should we ban healthcare? With the Covid logic we certainly should! Ban all things until no human ever dies again!
Covid should not have shut down the world the way that it did. The science does not back up such a harsh reaction.
The consequences from Covid shutdowns and restrictions are going to be much more severe in the long-term than the immediate deaths will ever be.
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How is nutrition unrelated to fighting a pandemic? Would adequate nutrition not help boost the immune system, giving those at risk a greater chance of overcoming the virus? Or do you only believe in pumping the body with chemicals that give the appearance that you’re actually helping boost the immune system?
My health status being above adequate is actually me showing that I care for my patients. By taking care of my body and avoiding sickness, I am able to provide proper care to my patients, and also show up to work.
The pandemic is dangerous to those over the age of 65 with multiple chronic diseases. Otherwise, it’s no worse than a seasonal flu.