Does the same rules apply to doctors

guest769224 · Dec 17, 2016

The sad part is docs NEVER do CPR,.

I've seen several physicians participate in CPR.

TheCommuter, BSN, RN · Dec 17, 2016

Unofficially, different rules certainly apply to physicians because their labor supply is far more finite and harder to obtain than that of nurses. Therefore, managers and HR figureheads are more willing to yield to their demands if it means obtaining their finite services.

allnurses Guide · Dec 17, 2016

A case of arrogant bullying. He basically told them "I am a doctor, don't question me". The sad part is docs NEVER do CPR, they know what drugs to give, but given a BLS scenario that would happen on the court, his ACLS will not help at all. Would have been nice if the person he was dealing with wouldn't have been intimidated by his title.

High school should have an AED these things are used by little old security guards on golf course in Florida. Easy Peasy No Dr. Required unless he's the calling 911.

Hppy

Kooky Korky, BSN, RN · Dec 17, 2016

Maybe if the parents of kids whose lives are entrusted to him knew that this guy wass refusing to show his up-to-date credentials and knew that someone knuckled under to his refusal, he would not get the job. If it is a requirement to have ACLS, BLS, PALS, etc., then I think parents would insist on having as a coach someone who meets those requirements, and his ego be d*+ned.

Again, be very quiet about outing him if you decide to do that. If you have already spoken out about this, you can't say anything if you want to keep your job, I'd guess.

DeeAngel · Dec 17, 2016

Stay out of it, this is not your fight. If the school is willing to be negligent in doing their due diligence in this matter that's on them, not you.

NotYourMamasRN · Dec 17, 2016

Many of the ER docs I have worked with did not have ACLS or BLS. Some did have it and actually worked with the education department for mock codes and employee training. One of my ER docs in VA said neither is required for an MD so they did not carry it.

AlmostANurse321 · Dec 17, 2016

Two things:

1) Doctors do CPR

2) I've had physicians in my CPR renewal class before.

NotYourMamasRN · Dec 17, 2016

Also, most of the ER docs I have worked with were not employees of the hospital. They were employees of an ER physician conglomerate and they were contracted with the hospital.

foggnm · Dec 17, 2016

That seems pretty reasonable to me. I am not sure what the provider requirements are for ACLS or continuing education, but it wouldn't concern me that much if a volunteer basketball coach was an ER physician and didn't have a cpr card especially since they are board licensed to provide emergency medical care. It seems you are more upset because he's a jerk and gets a free pass.

nutella, MSN, RN · Dec 17, 2016

All hospitals or other places I worked had all physician go to ACLS classes. However, some places do not mainstreamed and usually have their own "provider" classes. Some hospitals I worked at, have everybody with ACLS (MD or RN ) go to the same classes mixed. I definitely have seen MDs provide CPR or ventilate with the mask / bag when no RT right there - but most often the run the code.

I am pretty sure that if he is a physician in the ER, he knows what to do and I can see why they waived the requirement.

I do not see it as "special" treatment but that they waived it based on the fact that he is qualified. The CPR certificate is just telling authorities that you are trained and capable - basically proof that you know how to do it. Being an MD in a ER qualifies IMO as proof as well.

klone, MSN, RN · Dec 17, 2016

I thought the requirement for BLS was set by the employer, not the board of nursing or medical licensing board..

You are correct

I've worked at hospitals where the physicians were employed by the hospital, and they had the same BLS requirement as everyone else.

I've worked at hospitals where the physicians are private practice and just have privileges at the hospital, and they have no such requirement.