Does the BSN in 10 apply to all nurses or just RN's and why?

I love short concise posts. But I'm not sure what you mean? Can you elaborate?

Just now, brownbook said:

I love short concise posts. But I'm not sure what you mean? Can you elaborate?

Have you heard of the bsn in 10?if not then that means I'd have to post an article for those who dont know.But there is a new law in effect to where if you are an rn in ny you need to have your bsn in 10 years. I heard other states are catching on but nothing has been mentioned as to if this will have affect on lpn

I imagine you are referring to Senate Bill S2145? I would highly recommend reading it, it isn't long.

https://www.nysenate.gov/legislation/bills/2015/s2145

As to the second part of your question I would recommend looking at the nursing labor statistics for New York, it should give you a pretty good understanding of why considering the high conversion rate.

1 hour ago, Asystole RN said:

I imagine you are referring to Senate Bill S2145? I would highly recommend reading it, it isn't long.

https://www.nysenate.gov/legislation/bills/2015/s2145

As to the second part of your question I would recommend looking at the nursing labor statistics for New York, it should give you a pretty good understanding of why considering the high conversion rate.

Thank you, I read it but all it mentions is rn.i know why but I dont see the point considering an rn an a bsn do the exact same thing and in most places get the same pay.just sounds to me like they just want an excuse to drop an extra load on nurses as far as patients and responsibility. I hope they have plans of paying for tuition and providing a large hourly wage

5 minutes ago, JadedCPN said:

I'm confused by what you mean when you say "an rn an a bsn do the exact same thing." These are not two different titles/degrees/licensures. One is a licensure, which is the RN, and one is a degree, which is the BSN. One can have a BSN but not be an RN, one can be an RN but not have a BSN, and of course you could both be an RN and have your BSN, as I do.

An RN is an RN..An RN with an associates does the same exact thing and has the same skills as an RN with a BSN.

19 minutes ago, LPNTORN704 said:

Thank you, I read it but all it mentions is rn.i know why but I dont see the point considering an rn an a bsn do the exact same thing and in most places get the same pay.just sounds to me like they just want an excuse to drop an extra load on nurses as far as patients and responsibility. I hope they have plans of paying for tuition and providing a large hourly wage

No offense but no you didn't. If you did you would have found in Section 1, paragraph 1 a large comprehensive explanation for the bill. I will quote it for you.

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Section 1. The legislature hereby finds and declares that with the increasing complexity of the American healthcare system and rapidly expanding technology, the educational preparation of the registered professional nurse must be expanded. The nurse of the future must be prepared to partner with multiple disciplines as a collaborator and manager of the complex patient care journey. Shorter lengths of stays, higher patient acuity, and more sophisticated technologies and proce- dures are increasing the complexity of patient care - which in turn places great demands on nursing competencies. Other countries are responding to these changes by requiring the baccalaureate degree as an entry requirement for nursing licensure while other professions are demanding master and doctoral degrees as their entry point. Several recent research studies clearly demonstrate the added value of addi- tional education in relation to improved patient outcomes; one study demonstrates that each ten percent increase in the number of baccalau- reate prepared nurses results in a five percent decrease in surgical patient deaths. Therefore, the legislature finds that expanding the educational requirements for the profession of nursing, while maintain- ing the multiple entry points into the profession, is needed. This legislation affects future nurses graduating from associate degree or diploma nursing programs who would be required to obtain a baccalaureate in nursing within ten years of initial licensure. All current nurses licensed in New York and students in programs preparing for registered professional nursing are to be exempt from the new requirement. This legislation is mirrored after the progressive education requirement for teachers in New York state. Numerous regulatory and accrediting bodies have recommended this change as a means to address sophisticated patient care needs resulting from shorter lengths of stay, higher acuity and more sophisticated interventions. This proposal is the result of a grow- ing body of research evidence that additional education results in better patient outcomes. Therefore by requiring the baccalaureate degree for continued registration as a registered professional nurse this legislation seeks to be responsive to meet the increasingly complex health care needs of the residents of New York state.

15 minutes ago, Asystole RN said:

No offense but no you didn't. If you did you would have found in Section 1, paragraph 1 a large comprehensive explanation for the bill. I will quote it for you.

No offense but like I said I'm right.now read this comprehensive paragraph smart ?

Why is this change in minimum educational requirements for registered professional nurses an important step in nursing education and the profession? The impetus for this change in minimum educational requirements for registered professional nurses is due in part to the recognition of the increasing complexity of the American health care system. Rapidly expanding technology and procedures place greater demands on nursing competencies. Several recent research studies demonstrate the added value of additional education in relation to improved patient outcomes. The American Association of Colleges of Nursing found that workplaces with baccalaureate-prepared nurses have lower patient mortality rates, lower failure-to-rescue rates and higher proficiency in diagnoses and evaluating nursing interventions. Another study demonstrated that each 10 percent increase in the number of baccalaureate-prepared nurses in the workplace results in a 5 percent decrease in surgical patient deaths. Learn more about the impact of education on nursing practice

Will associate degree and diploma nursing programs be phased out or eliminated? No. The law recognizes the need for and value of the multiple educational paths and entry points into the profession

http://nursing.buffalo.edu/news-events/nurses-report.host.html/content/shared/nursing/articles/nurses-report/posts/bsn-in-10.detail.html

2 hours ago, LPNTORN704 said:

Does the bsn in 10 apply to all nurses or just rn and why?

An LPN can’t get a BSN (without becoming an RN), so I’m going to go with “just RNs.”

16 minutes ago, Asystole RN said:

No offense but no you didn't. If you did you would have found in Section 1, paragraph 1 a large comprehensive explanation for the bill. I will quote it for you.

Now you read ???

3 hours ago, LPNTORN704 said:

No offense but like I said I'm right.now read this comprehensive paragraph smart ?

Why is this change in minimum educational requirements for registered professional nurses an important step in nursing education and the profession? The impetus for this change in minimum educational requirements for registered professional nurses is due in part to the recognition of the increasing complexity of the American health care system. Rapidly expanding technology and procedures place greater demands on nursing competencies. Several recent research studies demonstrate the added value of additional education in relation to improved patient outcomes. The American Association of Colleges of Nursing found that workplaces with baccalaureate-prepared nurses have lower patient mortality rates, lower failure-to-rescue rates and higher proficiency in diagnoses and evaluating nursing interventions. Another study demonstrated that each 10 percent increase in the number of baccalaureate-prepared nurses in the workplace results in a 5 percent decrease in surgical patient deaths. Learn more about the impact of education on nursing practice

Will associate degree and diploma nursing programs be phased out or eliminated? No. The law recognizes the need for and value of the multiple educational paths and entry points into the profession

http://nursing.buffalo.edu/news-events/nurses-report.host.html/content/shared/nursing/articles/nurses-report/posts/bsn-in-10.detail.html

Far as NYS is concerned diploma nursing schools long ceased to exist. IIRC there is only one such program left somewhere upstate.

Basically the profession and more to the point employers (hospitals) made that call. The latter no longer would hire diploma graduates so schools had to make choices. Many such as Saint Vincent's and Beth Israel simply became ADN programs. Others like Flower and Fifth just shut down. On the profession side there was a push to move nursing programs out of hospitals and into colleges. This included the new community colleges which began offering ADN degrees. Both sides could see and or wanted the benefits of having professional nurses with a "well rounded" education which came from attending college.

Spoke with someone working at College of Mount Saint Vincent's nursing program who also had been as Saint Vincent's in Manhattan. Asked her why Saint V's in the Village discontinued their famous and highly regarded diploma program. Reply was quick and short, "no one would hire them".

On another front sometime by the 1960's or 1970's (cannot recall exactly) insurance companies began refusing to pay for care delivered by student nurses. That is the old apprenticeship method of teaching nursing (which was still well entrenched late as the 1950's) where much to a bulk of bedside care was delivered by students or probationary (probies) nurses was out. Facilities were informed insurance would cover care by licensed professional or practical/vocational nurses.

With that big chunk of money gone hospitals found it increasingly expensive to run diploma (or even ADN) nursing programs. More so as states began mandating standard minimum credit distributions for all graduate nurses needed to sit for board exams.

This is how things pretty much rolled across the country. Some states more than others held onto large numbers of diploma programs (Pennsylvania IIRC comes to mind), but overall their numbers have been declining since the 1970's.

For any diploma RN who does not currently hold a NYS license, once BSN in Ten comes fully into effect they will be required to obtain their four year degree within ten years after being granted NYS license.