I am not sure if it is true or not, but I heard that RNs get a little extra pay when they work on a day where nursing students are present. If the charge RN assigned a student to an RN, then they get the extra pay.
I am talking about college nursing students not training a new employee.
It just came on top of my head because I have been assigned to lousy RNs during my clinical rotations and it feels like they should be more engaged with students
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Your nurse is probably feeling overwhelmed and adding a student means she in likely to have to work even harder to get her work done. Teaching is real work.
One hospital where I work part time an RN who agrees to take a student does not get paid extra but gets some perks. Like first choice in patient assignment, a smaller patient load, no floating and no low census lay offs. As a result we have nurses clamoring to take students.
We don't pay more for charge nursing or having nursing students with us.
I enjoy having students with me 99% of the time.
same here. :) i really like having students and always volunteer to precept, BUT! I work in a sub-acute rehab/assisted living and we almost always have adequate/reasonable staffing ratios, which makes my typical work shift way less crazy-busy than an acute care hospital. If I was in a hospital working and trying to teach/have a student, I think I'd have a different opinion!
I have never known a facility to pay for a nurse to have a nursing student. The only time there was a pay incentive is if they were training a new employee. My employer doesn't even given you a penny more for doing that. I was always the one to train new staff, but got tired of not receiving any recognition or appreciation. So now I only train new staff when their preceptor is out for some unexpected reason. I did help when we recently had an influx of students.
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Were you too not a nursing student once?
Yes, that's how I became a nurse. As did every other nurse.
Who taught you?
My clinical instructor. I saw the staff nurse assigned to the patient during beginning of shift report and again when giving report prior to going to post conference. For everything else, I went to my CI. For lunches, we were expected to relieve each other.
Yes you are busy we as students get that. I'm so tired of hearing about how terrible it is to have to have us nursing students on your shift!
You will understand when you are the unsuspecting nurse assigned a student. It will all make sense then.
We are there to learn and we are eager to learn just like you were when you were a student!
Great. Still doesn't mean the staff nurse is your clinical instructor.
Every day nurses are complaining about being short handed.
It's reality. Reality sometimes sucks.
Quit acting like having an extra person there to teach is such a big deal. It does not take that much effort to explain what your doing whe your doing it!
Actually, it does. A lot of time and effort is required. Again, you'll understand when you're the nurse who has a student sprung on them.
All nurses have been students; however, not all students have been nurses. We've been in your shoes but you've never been in ours. You don't know what you don't know, but you'll learn when you experience it.
I don't think nurses get paid for having students on the floor for only one day, but they get extra pay if they preceptor a student. My preceptor in my pre-grad got paid $0.65 per dollar more when I was with her. I live in Toronto, Ontario (Canada).
She was wonderful and loved to teach. I don't think the incentive is much but it shows some sort of appreciation I guess ...
It made me sad to read so many negative comments on this thread towards teaching nursing students.
I understand we are swamped with work but it's not students' fault, they are just trying to learn.
I graduated not long ago and if I were to tel you the horrible experiences I had with mean nurses ...you have no idea how your negative attitude affects nursing students. Before you are rude or mean to one of them, let your supervision know that you do not welcome nursing students and believe me, they'll find someone else who is more willing.
Were you too not a nursing student once? Who taught you? Yes you are busy we as students get that. I'm so tired of hearing about how terrible it is to have to have us nursing students on your shift! We are there to learn and we are eager to learn just like you were when you were a student! Every day nurses are complaining about being short handed. Quit acting like having an extra person there to teach is such a big deal. It does not take that much effort to explain what your doing whe your doing it!
My clinical instructor supervised my clinical time. Most of the things we were to do, we had already practiced in learning lab and not placed with a working nurse except to observe.
I imagine you might be tired of hearing how busy currently practicing nurses are but you certainly don't "get it". You have no license to lose or real patient responsibilities. If you don't get something done you can petition for extra time or take a lower grade. Nothing near the consequences your busy nurse faces.
Some students think their being eager to learn automatically makes me eager to teach. Not so.
If I wanted to teach I would be an instructor. And I certainly would not want to be bothered by one of those entitled students that think they are the answer to short staffing. You're not just an extra person, you are an additional responsibility and liability. No "help" whatsoever.
With some it does take much effort to explain what I'm doing because I'm not not just doing tasks that can be mimicked. Most everything I do has a strong mental component attached to it that students are just in the rudimentary stages of grasping. Yep, and some are stupider than that!
Seriously? Trying to entice me to take on a student for $12.00? I think I'll hold out a little longer.
Were you too not a nursing student once? Who taught you? Yes you are busy we as students get that. I'm so tired of hearing about how terrible it is to have to have us nursing students on your shift! We are there to learn and we are eager to learn just like you were when you were a student! Every day nurses are complaining about being short handed. Quit acting like having an extra person there to teach is such a big deal. It does not take that much effort to explain what your doing whe your doing it!
Stop right here. If you as a student don't get that yes, it DOES take a lot of effort to teach you why we are doing something, how we do it, the risks and benefits, and then evaluate your understanding of the lesson, you are delusional.
And I'm a toddler RN with 18 months of practice, so don't yell NETY at me. I love having students, but rushing through a brief description of a task, procedure, or medication does you a disservice. We cannot teach you anything complex without a lot of effort. You don't get how much work it is to teach someone properly. Would you tell one of your nursing instructors it doesn't take much effort to teach your Med-Surg or Mother-Baby classes? If so, heaven help you, because you have some very skewed notions.
And no, I don't see so much as one extra cent for taking a student.
You want a good experience but refuse to listen when we tell you that actually requires work on our part. Most of us want you to get a lot out of your clinical days, but some students, in particular you, will not acknowlege that it does take work, and a lot of it, to give you that. Do you really think bedside nursing is that easy?
Any nurse posting on here was a student nurse and had to work with licensed nurse. I imagine if you have to pay an RN to teach a student, what you think is going to happen to tuition costs?! Overall, what a topic which is another blow to my belief that nurses are altruistic.
I just finished my maternal child clinical placement and the nurses on the labour & delivery unit DID get paid a little extra for having students working with them, whereas the nurses on the postpartum unit did not get any extra compensation.
The charge nurse in L&D said it was basically because of the limited amount of tasks that the students were allowed to perform in L&D compared to postpartum, so the nurses had to deal more with students following them around/asking tons of questions/generally getting in the way (as opposed to postpartum/mother-baby where we had a lot of autonomy to complete skills and assessments with our instructor).
Any nurse posting on here was a student nurse and had to work with licensed nurse. I imagine if you have to pay an RN to teach a student, what you think is going to happen to tuition costs?! Overall, what a topic which is another blow to my belief that nurses are altruistic.
It's not our responsibility to keep tuition costs for students low (not to mention the fact that I don't believe for a second that the nursing schools would ever pay staff nurses to teach their students-in general, it's simply a professional courtesy expected of the hospitals).
Relative to the liability we incur, the high stakes of our practice, and the critical thinking required, etc., nurses really don't make a lot of money, so in my opinion, just by virtue of working as nurses, we are by definition "altruistic." I have many friends with the same level of education I have (Bachelor's) who make two to ten times what I make, and I'm not exaggerating. And no one criticizes them for not wanting extra work with no compensation.
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Your nurse is probably feeling overwhelmed and adding a student means she in likely to have to work even harder to get her work done. Teaching is real work.
One hospital where I work part time an RN who agrees to take a student does not get paid extra but gets some perks. Like first choice in patient assignment, a smaller patient load, no floating and no low census lay offs. As a result we have nurses clamoring to take students.