Do you chart lies?

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Does anyone else find themselves taciturnly encouraged by their organization to chart lies, or to put it another way, to enter fictitious information into flowsheets? Of course the organization would never want you to come out and say you are doing this, nor would they or you want to think of your little data entries in the flowsheets as not being truthful. We always seem to find ways to rationalize what we are doing.

For example, my facility requires patients in restraints to have q2hour visual checks and in the column for that visual check, you are supposed to inspect skin under the restraint, offer fluids or food, check for incontinence, and perform passive range of motion. You're supposed to check off that you did all this, every 2 hours. Now, I know damn well that neither myself nor my peers actually perform passive range of motion exercises on our restrained patients every 2 hours. Most of these patients you want to avoid disturbing at all costs or they'll start screaming their heads off or try to climb OOB. But we all check off that we did passive ROM. Some people might rationalize this by saying "well, when we change his gown we are performing passive ROM on his arms," or some other equivalent stretch of the imagination.

Another example is charting "patient was turned q2h" when they were turned maybe twice in the shift. Another big one is entering in a CIWA assessment for a sleeping patient. I'm sure there are lot of excellent nurses out there who wake their patients to perform CIWA (which is what you are supposed to do) but most I know will not wake up an alcohol withdrawing patient in the rare moments they can be found sleeping unless absolutely necessary. Yet, they all put in the CIWA assessments on time. I could go on and on, with people charting that saline locks are patent without flushing them, non existent pain reassessments, and so forth.

Do you encounter this often? And being as honest as possible, have you or do you do it? Do you feel that you have much of a choice?

Specializes in addictions recovery, tele, peds.

Could you tell this to my hospital. We do medical detoxes on my dual diagnosis unit. We are not monitored and I have had patients come up to the unit in DT's. Their BAC will be 0 and they are stumbling around with no idea where they are. Hallucinating. BP off the charts are med floors tell us we can handle it. We do po/im ativan.

Specializes in addictions recovery, tele, peds.
If someone is having DTs, they aren't going to be on CIWA. They are going to be in the ICU on MINDS. DTs are lethal and involve seizures and cardiac instability.

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Could you tell this to my hospital. We do medical detoxes on my dual diagnosis unit. We are not monitored and I have had patients come up to the unit in DT's. Their BAC will be 0 and they are stumbling around with no idea where they are. Hallucinating. BP off the charts are med floors tell us we can handle it. We do po/im ativan.

I did not read all of the responses however, my first thought is this--IF a patient were to lose function due to a too tight restraint, If there is skin breakdown due to restraints, incontinence, or not being repositioned, who is it that is going to be thrown under the bus and run over 954 times? The nurse. AND it takes one other person to say "Nurse RNdynamic charted that these things were done, but they were not, as patient has a stage 2....." blah, blah, blah.....and you are in hot water, regardless of what others do.

It borders on cruelty that a patient would remain restrained to a bed for hours and days. I can not imagine. Just as poor practice is not turning and repostioning every 2 hours. If you think about a patient who can not move, but is wildly uncomfortable to the point of skin breaking down and lying in incontinence, or incontinence due to not being able to move....that is wrong.

If your ratios are such that care can not be given, it needs to be brought to manager's attention. CYA. Unfortunetely, when all of this comes to a head is when a psych patient sues because of nerve damage in their hand, or a family sues because of the need for a wound vac in a coccyx....

CIWA as I understood to be--you can monitor with q1 hour vitals, however, "unable to assess as patient is resting" should not be inappropriate for other parts of the assessment as one becomes less symptomatic. With that being said, be sure you DO wake the patient up, as the last thing you need to deal with before you clock out for the day is a seizure due to patient not being medicated all shift.

Don't ever chart what you don't do. It can and does come back to bite you in the butt.

Honestly, I have never seen a nurse get caught for falsifying records in either of the hospitals in which I've worked, but I've seen nurses chart lies all of the time. How would they get caught? In most cases it is impossible to prove something wasn't performed just for the reason that no one saw them do it, unless it is something blatant like faking a dressing change and someone finds the old one still on the patient or documenting you gave a med but you didn't and the old IV bag from yesterday is still hanging. Those sort of things generally are not the type of lies that people chart. Usually it is the smaller stuff, and I see it almost every day. Mostly stuff that is in flowsheets in little boxes that you check off.

In my old hospital, we were so short on the med/surg floor and often have no aides and some of the young charge nurses just "wrote in" their 2am vitals because they were sick of doing extra work and thought that the vitals were pointless.

You absolutely know that a patient has been lying in a soiled bed for hours. If you need to scrape poop off a patient, and the skin underneath is all broken down, you KNOW this. If a bed is drenched and stained. If wrists are so red and raw that the patient can not move their fingers, however, have had enough haldol to take down an elephant.

And those are things that need to be dealt with, so you are not the nurse who is left holding the bag.

These are not "little things". These are major things.

I know of a nurse that was reported to the BON and subsequently disciplined by the BON for charting false information (apparently charted an O2 sat on a patient when the patient was off the floor for a procedure).

Besides the whole issue of honesty and integrity that is at stake, it is a really good way to put your nursing license at risk.

Specializes in PCU med/surg/podiatry/Nursing home.

I am careful to only chart what I did. Sometimes I have to go back just to make sure I didn't chart something just out of habit or get 2 pts mixed up. I've done that. If you didn't do it leave blank, but chart some sort of comment that the pt is resting. You can listen to heart sounds and do a focused assessment even when they are asleep most times. I would not wake a disturbed and/or CiWA patient-you are just asking for trouble.

We get q 4hr vs on our floor, so I just follow them as the NA's are doing them. Do your turns at a certain time like every even or odd hour-much easier to keep up with. You can get good L/S that way too.

Specializes in psych, addictions, hospice, education.

I don't chart what I didn't do. If there's a reason I can't do something, I indicated that there's something about it in nurses's notes, and I write my rationale for not doing whatever it was, in the note.

Stand in your truth, cuz it's a slippery slope once you start fibbing even a little bit...

Specializes in LTC, med/surg, hospice.

No I do not chart lies. If I wasn't in a patient room every 2 hours, I don't chart that. Especially on a night when I've had 7 or 8 patients. I will not paint a perfect picture to satisfy management.

I chart what I am able to do and I will take the consequence of not completing something versus charting I did when I did not.

Specializes in Med/Surg, Academics.

Vanderbilt doesn't want you to wake a pt, but this health system does. It seems to vary by facility.

http://hfhs-formslibrary.org/forms/HFMHWC-59-7129MR-1110%20alcohol%20withdrawal%20med%20order.pdf

In my experience on a psych C&L service at a large teaching hospital, doing medical management of EtOH withdrawal, one of the things we had the most trouble with was getting the staff nurses to wake people up and do the CIWA eval during the night. No, you cannot "tell" whether someone who is asleep is having s/s of withdrawal or not. Nurses would let people sleep all night without evaluating them, and then they'd have a seizure in the AM. We repeatedly educated the RNs that the hospital's expectation was that individuals would be awakened during the night for evaluation. I didn't know there was any facility that thinks it's okay to let people sleep all night without evaluation.

Wow. Sounds like you work at a terrible facility. Restraints should almost never be used, and if someone is put in restraints, they undoubtedly SHOULD have extremities (one at a time) freed w/ active OR passive ROM q 1-2 hrs. Shame if you are not doing this!!!!

I would cool it with the pearl clutching. Ever had a patient self-extubate? You'll understand why they're used if you did.

Specializes in Critical Care, Float Pool Nursing.
Wow. Sounds like you work at a terrible facility. Restraints should almost never be used, and if someone is put in restraints, they undoubtedly SHOULD have extremities (one at a time) freed w/ active OR passive ROM q 1-2 hrs. Shame if you are not doing this!!!![/QUOTe]

I work in the medical icu where most of the incubated patients are and need to be restrained.

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