Do you chart lies?

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Does anyone else find themselves taciturnly encouraged by their organization to chart lies, or to put it another way, to enter fictitious information into flowsheets? Of course the organization would never want you to come out and say you are doing this, nor would they or you want to think of your little data entries in the flowsheets as not being truthful. We always seem to find ways to rationalize what we are doing.

For example, my facility requires patients in restraints to have q2hour visual checks and in the column for that visual check, you are supposed to inspect skin under the restraint, offer fluids or food, check for incontinence, and perform passive range of motion. You're supposed to check off that you did all this, every 2 hours. Now, I know damn well that neither myself nor my peers actually perform passive range of motion exercises on our restrained patients every 2 hours. Most of these patients you want to avoid disturbing at all costs or they'll start screaming their heads off or try to climb OOB. But we all check off that we did passive ROM. Some people might rationalize this by saying "well, when we change his gown we are performing passive ROM on his arms," or some other equivalent stretch of the imagination.

Another example is charting "patient was turned q2h" when they were turned maybe twice in the shift. Another big one is entering in a CIWA assessment for a sleeping patient. I'm sure there are lot of excellent nurses out there who wake their patients to perform CIWA (which is what you are supposed to do) but most I know will not wake up an alcohol withdrawing patient in the rare moments they can be found sleeping unless absolutely necessary. Yet, they all put in the CIWA assessments on time. I could go on and on, with people charting that saline locks are patent without flushing them, non existent pain reassessments, and so forth.

Do you encounter this often? And being as honest as possible, have you or do you do it? Do you feel that you have much of a choice?

Specializes in Oncology.
I work in the medical icu where most of the incubated patients are and need to be restrained.

While I understand the need to occasionally retrain an intubated patient, this is not the norm in my facility's ICU, especially not keeping them continually restrained the whole time they're on the vent. I'm wondering if your sedation protocols need to be revisited. Regardless of the indication for restraints, restraints are associated with worse outcomes across the board.

Specializes in ED, Cardiac-step down, tele, med surg.

I've seen some of this type of charting. I don't do it. Sometimes when people are charting on skin; they will chart, aloe vesta applied. I have noticed there is no aloe vesta in the room and it's been charted for several days. I don't think people are actually applying it; and if I am not applying it, I don't chart that. If I have to do a CIWA; I will wake the patient up. But if they are asleep and their vitals are stable I don't wake them up. I will do the CIWA when they are awake or if their vital signs are unstable. I usually try to turn patients every 2 hours who need to be turned; at the latest 2.5 hours. I take pride in the care I provide my patients and make every effort to do what is supposed to get done. I would feel wrong about falsifying medical records.

While I understand the need to occasionally retrain an intubated patient, this is not the norm in my facility's ICU, especially not keeping them continually restrained the whole time they're on the vent. I'm wondering if your sedation protocols need to be revisited. Regardless of the indication for restraints, restraints are associated with worse outcomes across the board.

You really can't win when it comes to ventilators. Over-sedation, particularly with midazolam, is also associated with worse outcomes.

Specializes in Oncology.
You really can't win when it comes to ventilators. Over-sedation, particularly with midazolam, is also associated with worse outcomes.

True. We don't use a lot of midazolam anymore. Lots of propofol, precedex, and fentanyl.

Specializes in MICU, SICU, CICU.

I don't think anyone is suggesting to let the pt sleep all night without being reassessed. That is negligence.

It is common sense if you have medicated a pt at 8 and 10 that you allow them to rest as much as possible. It is unnecessary and even harmful to awaken a sedated pt at 12 to ask them if they're disoriented, still seeing things or feeling shaky. When they start to stir or the heart rate increases it's time to assess the need for more medication. I am in that room or very close by all night long. But that is in ICU for a CIWA greater than 20 with continuous Sp02 and cardiac monitoring. We are very comfortable giving max doses of lorazepam, librium, valium and precedex for severe DTs with extreme agitation within order parameters.

In a psych facility or busy med surg unit with inexperienced nurses I can see how that kind of structure might be necessary due to higher nurse patient ratios and the absence of continuous monitoring.

This is why I am not a big fan of the CIWA protocol. Sometimes the pt does not receive the meds as consistently as they should.

We used to give scheduled tapered doses and prn doses over a period of five days which was in my experience far more effective for treating alcohol withdrawal and preventing DTs. So I give meds on a regular basis, at least every 4 to 6 hours because that is what works.

It seems to me that some alcohol withdrawal patients end up in the ICU with tubes in every orifice and complications such as VAP CLABSI UTI which possibly could have been avoided and prevented if they have been medicated properly right from the start.

True. We don't use a lot of midazolam anymore. Lots of propofol, precedex, and fentanyl.

Not to get too off topic, but as you're probably aware Propofol is contraindicated in many cases and precedex is often inadequate for patients who require heavy sedation.

Specializes in Critical Care.
While I understand the need to occasionally retrain an intubated patient, this is not the norm in my facility's ICU, especially not keeping them continually restrained the whole time they're on the vent. I'm wondering if your sedation protocols need to be revisited. Regardless of the indication for restraints, restraints are associated with worse outcomes across the board.

There are studies that correlate restraints with worse outcomes, but I'm not aware of any that show restraints cause worse outcomes, those are two very different things.

We know that patients with delirium have worse outcomes, and that these patients often need to be restrained, which is why we see worse outcomes in patients who need to be restrained: because restraint need is an indicator of delirium. I'm not aware of any studies that show the outcomes of patients needing restraints are due to the restraints themselves vs the underlying reason they are needing restraints.

Many years ago, the common practice was to sedate patients sufficiently so they would not need restraints (sedating to a RASS of -2 to -4), although in recent years we've discovered that this is far more likely to cause delirium and has been show to cause (not just correlate with) worse outcomes. That's why the recommended practice today is only sedate to -1 or even 0 if possible, which then often necessitates restraints. The downside of increased restraint use is more than offset with better outcomes, shorter intuabtion durations, shorter ICU stays, etc.

Sure Ive seen this a lot, most especially with assessments, where people just copy-paste from the last shift. For example, charting patient is still on tele when it had been discontinued two days ago. Or copying an error such as that a patient has a right sided IV when it really is left sided. I remember coming across a patient who did not know her birthdate. Thankfully her family was present and verified that this was normal for her, but everyone had previously been charting that they verified the birthdate with her. Flushes are always documented but I come across bad IVs all the time and patients saying that it had been a while since it was last flushed.

I personally do feel ok about documenting the q2h turns at 0800/1000/1200 even though they may have been done at 0750, 1030, 1155, etc., as was mentioned before. Hospital nursing is routinely understaffed so nurses do shortcuts. I do know that coworkers have documented things they didn't do which I don't agree with, however I know that poor staffing is a huge reason behind this.

I personally saw it too when I ordered my own L&D records, that nurses charted things that they did not do with me, such as abuse assessment and home assessment (having water/electricity/etc).

I won't chart something I haven't done, but I'm OK with charting that is 'close enough' to truth, such as the minor time difference for turns as mentioned above.

Specializes in SICU.

#1 i LOVE the expression "cool your pearl clutching" I will use it in conversation at the earliest available opportunity.

#2 If you have a pt self extubate, then you will understand the need for restraints and will not term them "terrible horrible things"

#3 it is not terrible nursing to let a patient sleep and get some much needed rest. so waking them up every hour is not feasible....

Specializes in Certified Med/Surg tele, and other stuff.
Q2h checks on patients in restraints?!?! It's q15 min at my facility.

Our combative/behavior pts are on q15 and medical necessity are q 2 hr, so that's not uncommon. :)

Specializes in Certified Med/Surg tele, and other stuff.
I work in the medical icu where most of the incubated patients are and need to be restrained.

I think you mean intubated?

Yeah, of course they are in ICU. However, some facilities are discontinuing sitters and restraining pt's on regular floors. I find that very sad that grandpa has to be restrained instead of redirected by a sitter.

To answer your question, I do not lie, and I never will. Have you ever sat in a deposition?

Specializes in Certified Med/Surg tele, and other stuff.

Follow PnP and a nurse will be safe. It's all you have if you are taken to court.

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