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DNP vs EdD

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HOPEforRNs has 6 years experience as a ADN, BSN, MSN and specializes in Education, Skills & Simulation, Med/Surg.

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HOPEforRNs has 6 years experience as a ADN, BSN, MSN and specializes in Education, Skills & Simulation, Med/Surg.

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8 minutes ago, TheSquire said:

I don't see the need for a Nursing-specific education degree.  I am willing to be convinced otherwise, but the Ed.D. can be applied to adult education, as @professorcait points out - why do we need a duplicate degree?

I don't see it as a duplicate. I see it as a gap that needs filled. The EdD is a research degree.  The DNP is perfect for bridging the research to practice gap. There are many of us who wish to bridge the same gap between research and nursing education. 

There's a PhD for nursing scientists/scholars. There's an EdD for generic higher education research scholars. There's a DNP for APRNs. What is there for those of us who need a doctorate degree (because nursing education basically requires it)? The DNE can fill that gap. 

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TheSquire has 9 years experience as a DNP, EMT-B, APN, NP and specializes in Urgent Care NP, Emergency Nursing, Camp Nursing.

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31 minutes ago, HOPEforRNs said:

I don't see it as a duplicate. I see it as a gap that needs filled. The EdD is a research degree.  The DNP is perfect for bridging the research to practice gap. There are many of us who wish to bridge the same gap between research and nursing education. 

The Ed.D. is NOT a research degree.  Like the DNP, it is a practice degree, expected to be done in 3 years of full-time work (which hardly anyone does, because we like to eat), and the project and research done is on an application to practice.  I don't know where you got it in your head that the Ed.D. is a research degree.

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HOPEforRNs has 6 years experience as a ADN, BSN, MSN and specializes in Education, Skills & Simulation, Med/Surg.

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3 minutes ago, TheSquire said:

The Ed.D. is NOT a research degree.  Like the DNP, it is a practice degree, expected to be done in 3 years of full-time work (which hardly anyone does, because we like to eat), and the project and research done is on an application to practice.  I don't know where you got it in your head that the Ed.D. is a research degree.

It's much closer to a PhD than a DNP. Just comparing a PhD and EdD in the same field side by side there are very minor differences. The PhD has 1 extra research methodology course compared to the EdD. Both take the same core curriculum. Both have to pass candidacy before moving on to the dissertation phase. Both spend the same number of credit hours in the dissertation phase. The EdD dissertation is more practice oriented but it's still well above and beyond what a DNP project encompasses. 

A DNP is 3 years part-time. They are around 35ish credit hours post-masters. An EdD is around 60ish credit hours post-masters. The same is true of a PhD

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Bumex has 7 years experience as a DNP, APRN, NP and specializes in Education, Nephrology, Internal Medicine.

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1 hour ago, TheSquire said:

The Ed.D. is NOT a research degree.  Like the DNP, it is a practice degree, expected to be done in 3 years of full-time work (which hardly anyone does, because we like to eat), and the project and research done is on an application to practice.  I don't know where you got it in your head that the Ed.D. is a research degree.

This is not totally correct. Some universities run it as a research degree and some solely practice. Many EdD programs I have come across have full dissertation requirements. This is actually the prime reason EdDs are starting to be shut down or just converted to PhD programs. Harvard's EdD was converted into a PhD program a few years ago due to the lack of curriculum difference between PhD and EdD.

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Megan1977 has 37 years experience as a MSN, EdD, RN and specializes in Medical policy: nurse educator: case mgt.

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On 2/7/2020 at 8:30 PM, TheSquire said:

Are you going for advanced practice? If not, why would you look at a DNP, which specifically has "Advanced Practice" as one of its Eight Pillars.

Go for the Ed.D.  It's the doctorate in the field you're actually pursuing.

This was exactly my reasoning when I decided to go for the terminal degree. My EdD has allowed me to teach in a program I love

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Megan1977 has 37 years experience as a MSN, EdD, RN and specializes in Medical policy: nurse educator: case mgt.

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On 2/9/2020 at 10:15 AM, HOPEforRNs said:

I agree. This is why I hope the DNE becomes a "thing" because I think nursing education needs it. The EdD is great, but it's being phased out for nursing and it's still a research heavy degree. I am far from the only educator who wants a doctorate degree that focuses primarily on teaching, not research. 

The EdD is not being phased out in nursing- please cite your source for this assertion. Also- EdD is not a heavy research degree. 

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Megan1977 has 37 years experience as a MSN, EdD, RN and specializes in Medical policy: nurse educator: case mgt.

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On 2/9/2020 at 1:09 PM, TheSquire said:

The Ed.D. is NOT a research degree.  Like the DNP, it is a practice degree, expected to be done in 3 years of full-time work (which hardly anyone does, because we like to eat), and the project and research done is on an application to practice.  I don't know where you got it in your head that the Ed.D. is a research degree.

This 100% ^^^^^

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