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HOPEforRNs ADN, BSN, MSN

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HOPEforRNs has 6 years experience as a ADN, BSN, MSN and specializes in Education, Skills & Simulation, Med/Surg.

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    DNP vs EdD

    You can't get tenure where I work without a PhD. However, I have no interest in a PhD. I am just thinking of doing the DNP executive leadership track. I just don't know what I would do my project in. I have zero interest in leadership. I just want to be an educator where I am already teaching. I just need a doctoral degree because it's letters after my name. I would STRONGLY prefer an EdD as it's the perfect degree for me. But I'd have to take out loans and my husband and I already have $140k in loan debt combined. The DNP would be free.
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    DNP vs EdD

    It's much closer to a PhD than a DNP. Just comparing a PhD and EdD in the same field side by side there are very minor differences. The PhD has 1 extra research methodology course compared to the EdD. Both take the same core curriculum. Both have to pass candidacy before moving on to the dissertation phase. Both spend the same number of credit hours in the dissertation phase. The EdD dissertation is more practice oriented but it's still well above and beyond what a DNP project encompasses. A DNP is 3 years part-time. They are around 35ish credit hours post-masters. An EdD is around 60ish credit hours post-masters. The same is true of a PhD.
  3. HOPEforRNs

    DNP vs EdD

    I don't see it as a duplicate. I see it as a gap that needs filled. The EdD is a research degree. The DNP is perfect for bridging the research to practice gap. There are many of us who wish to bridge the same gap between research and nursing education. There's a PhD for nursing scientists/scholars. There's an EdD for generic higher education research scholars. There's a DNP for APRNs. What is there for those of us who need a doctorate degree (because nursing education basically requires it)? The DNE can fill that gap.
  4. HOPEforRNs

    DNP vs EdD

    I agree. This is why I hope the DNE becomes a "thing" because I think nursing education needs it. The EdD is great, but it's being phased out for nursing and it's still a research heavy degree. I am far from the only educator who wants a doctorate degree that focuses primarily on teaching, not research.
  5. HOPEforRNs

    DNP vs EdD

    But why not get your PhD then? Similar degrees with similar requirements. I'm holding out for the DNE I've read about. Seems like what education needs.
  6. HOPEforRNs

    DNP vs EdD

    At least for me, the EdD is longer, more difficult, more expensive. While relevant, my employer looks at PhD > DNP=EdD.
  7. HOPEforRNs

    DNP vs EdD

    I haven't done anything because I haven't felt like anything is "right." Columbia would be great on paper, but I am so annoyed by the fact they give you 0 credit hours for your last 2 years which makes the program unnecessarily long. I would get transfer credit for a good number of classes but I'd have to take random other classes to get enough hours since the last 2 years give you none. Also my employer looks at PhD > EdD = DNP. So while the EdD is a great degree and the perfect one for educators who don't want to be researchers... why would I go to all the extra time & effort for no added career benefit? Obviously there are personal benefits but is it worth it? That's what I haven't decided yet.
  8. HOPEforRNs

    Do you share teaching materials with other professors?

    I'm actually in Ohio! Happy to connect with you if you'd like.
  9. HOPEforRNs

    PhD or DNP to become Faculty?

    DNE = doctor of nursing education. Think DNP but for education instead of advanced practice. "A viable solution to the need for well-qualified doctorally prepared nurse educators is a terminal degree that prepares expert nurse educators in application of pedagogy and best evidence in nursing education, leveraging preparation with clinical expertise. A proposed doctor of nursing education (DNE) degree could provide an option for nurses who desire to pursue a terminal degree aligned with their teaching-learning goals. The DNE degree could provide a pipeline of educated expert nursing faculty in academia as well as professional development specialists in health care." Here's more info from the paper published about it! Doctoral Degree Preferences for Nurse Educators Findings From a National Study King, Tara Spalla PhD, RN; Melnyk, Bernadette Mazurek PhD, RN, APRN-CNP, FAANP, FNAP, FAAN; O'Brien, Tara PhD, RN, CNE; Bowles, Wendy PhD, RN, APRN-CNP, CNE; Schubert, Carolyn DNP, RN-BC, CNE; Fletcher, Linnea EdD, RN, CEN, TCRN; Anderson, Cindy M. PhD, RN, APRN-CNP, ANEF, FAHA, FNAP, FAAN Nurse Educator: July 16, 2019 - Volume Publish Ahead of Print - Issue - p doi: 10.1097/NNE.0000000000000730
  10. HOPEforRNs

    PhD or DNP to become Faculty?

    This is why I hope the DNE becomes a big thing or that EdD degrees become a thing again. No current common pathways prepare you to teach.
  11. HOPEforRNs

    PhD or DNP to become Faculty?

    I teach at a top nursing program and they STRONGLY prefer PhD. You will not find any tenure track or research track that are anything but PhD. Most everyone else has a DNP but it doesn't get you anything extra except administration not bugging you to go get a doctorate degree. The EdD was the first doctorate for nurses. It's a shame it's fallen by the wayside. PhD is for researchers. DNP is designed for APRNs. EdD seems perfect. A university I know of is also creating a DNE which would be super amazing if it catches on.
  12. HOPEforRNs

    DNP vs EdD

    I am SO excited I actually found someone in the program!! I will be e-mailing you. Thanks so much!
  13. HOPEforRNs

    DNP vs EdD

    I definitely feel like the EdD from Columbia will make me personally feel better, but it's just hard to justify the extra 3 years when my job won't care. I could get a DNP from an online diploma mill for profit school or an EdD from Columbia and it would be looked at the same. I've thought about just getting a PhD. But the EdD teaches me how to be a better educator, which is what I am. The PhD has zero nursing education courses. Literally not a single class excites me. And I don't want to be tenure track anyway -- way too many requirements to publish and get salary recovery through grants. I'll probably apply to Columbia and go from there.
  14. Has anyone graduated from Columbia's EdD Nurse Educator program or are currently in the program? The program is on my short list and I'd love to talk to someone in the program or who has gone through the program to help me decide!
  15. HOPEforRNs

    DNP vs EdD

    The DNE doesn't yet exist. It's being created by The Ohio State University so I feel fairly confident it will be a wonderful degree once all the hoops are jumped through (such as getting CCNE accreditation). It's just a few years off still. I already teach at a top 10 nursing program (BSN, MSN, and DNP are all top 10 ranked). I will retire from here. I'm fairly certain an EdD and DNP are looked at as "equal" and a PhD is ideal. I just don't want a PhD. I want education to be my #1 focus, not scholarly work. An EdD is definitely the perfect fit for what I want, but it seems like a lot more work for likely no additional respect/opportunities at work.... which is really unfortunate.
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    DNP vs EdD

    I don't think a doctorate in education is meaningless letters. I have a feeling the director you are referencing wouldn't have been any better with ANY degree or letters after her name. What letters do you consider to not be meaningless? I need a terminal degree. A DNP doesn't make sense because it's designed for APRNs, which I am not. A PhD doesn't make sense because I don't want to be a researcher. An EdD seems to make sense as I am an educator and one focused in my area (nursing) seems like a good fit. I definitely want to make the right decision for my education/career so I'm curious why you think otherwise.
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