The new nursing standard favors ADN over diploma for recruitment by hospitals for their professionalism skill/knowledge to reach higher patient care quality.
The questions will be about the difference between these degrees in term
The requirement to get admission for such a program
Credits hours to finish / Time
Competency
or Additional info would be appreciated.
From gathered data from multiple articles and summarized briefly
The requirement for the Diploma admission is the completion of secondary education
It takes three years to attend hospital classes
Competency would be nursing assistance
The other discussion would be about the difference and opinions about both degrees.
Should we remove diplomas from nursing programs? Why?
My opinion would be ( Personally ) to remove diploma degree and encourage students to aim for ADN instead of diploma to be more competent and educated. The rationale to get better patient care as the average intelligence of nurses would be higher.
I started as a diploma back in 2013, got my BSN about 2 years later. I think it’s big education forcing this to make more money. It’s just raising the bar to do the same job. A MSN might get a few extra bucks, but on the floor we all do the same job (good and bad). Unless you’re an APRN, you’re still a regular nurse from the patient’s and doctor’s perspective.
Agree. One also used to be able to teach in nursing programs with an MSN. Not sure if they want a Doctorate now.
The new nursing standard favors ADN over diploma for recruitment by hospitals for their professionalism skill/knowledge to reach higher patient care quality.
The questions will be about the difference between these degrees in term
The requirement to get admission for such a program
Credits hours to finish / Time
Competency
or Additional info would be appreciated.
From gathered data from multiple articles and summarized briefly
The requirement for the Diploma admission is the completion of secondary education
It takes three years to attend hospital classes
Competency would be nursing assistance
The other discussion would be about the difference and opinions about both degrees.
Should we remove diplomas from nursing programs? Why?
My opinion would be ( Personally ) to remove diploma degree and encourage students to aim for ADN instead of diploma to be more competent and educated. The rationale to get better patient care as the average intelligence of nurses would be higher.
Thanks in advance for your time.
Good for you that you don't have a financial strain. Give people chances to better themselves. You sound snooty. It must be very nice to be you.
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On 12/18/2021 at 1:54 PM, LasercopyNurse said:
My opinion would be ( Personally ) to remove diploma degree and encourage students to aim for ADN instead of diploma to be more competent and educated. The rationale to get better patient care as the average intelligence of nurses would be higher.
You are making the claim that ADN prepared nurses are more competent, educated, and more intelligent.
I would very much like to see the data and evidence that supports this claim.
I'm sure that a diploma in nursing has been changing the lives of people. It must be nice to be in your life. Since you're educated, you should know better that there are people who can't afford to be in schools without working. Don't take that away from people. Not everyone can afford school. Are you gonna suggest that they shouldn't attend schools then? How are they going to improve their lives if they can't get a diploma and work, hopefully, take college classes?
Maybe you don't have an ill parent to watch. One of my classmates has a bedridden parent. Her mother died in a car accident. Her father survived but was bedridden. She was the only child. Guess what? That diploma has been giving her a little comfort to make ends meet. Leave that diploma alone. People will aim higher, for the most part, when they can do it.
I started as a diploma back in 2013, got my BSN about 2 years later. I think it’s big education forcing this to make more money. It’s just raising the bar to do the same job. A MSN might get a few extra bucks, but on the floor we all do the same job (good and bad). Unless you’re an APRN, you’re still a regular nurse from the patient’s and doctor’s perspective.
in others perspectives, indeed we will be regular nurses, but the question will be among nurses for those who had higher education since you have experience in that due to being as Diploma and got BSN after some time
Did BSN education make a difference in your patient care quality or the knowledge base?
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most of my College instructors started as diplomas then proceeded to BSN. Some pursued MSN or Ph.D. and influenced changes in our society to elevate the nursing images and establish a College of Nursing.
All hard-working nurses should be respected no matter their degree or position.
What I believe ambitious nurses should seek higher education if feasible to get more prepared for their goals not if they are non-degree holders they are inferior but as an encouragement to let them seek and pursue their goal with better preparations like my instructor she pursued higher education and made researchers with that accomplishment and contribution the goal of having dedicated college of nursing became a reality.
in others perspectives, indeed we will be regular nurses, but the question will be among nurses for those who had higher education since you have experience in that due to being as Diploma and got BSN after some time
Did BSN education make a difference in your patient care quality or the knowledge base?
No, getting my BSN did jack to make me a better RN. Just checking boxes with it. One of my coworkers has his MSN. That’s not what makes him smarter than me though. It’s his bachelors in math that does that.
I'm sure that a diploma in nursing has been changing the lives of people. It must be nice to be in your life. Since you're educated, you should know better that there are people who can't afford to be in schools without working. Don't take that away from people. Not everyone can afford school. Are you gonna suggest that they shouldn't attend schools then? How are they going to improve their lives if they can't get a diploma and work, hopefully, take college classes?
Maybe you don't have an ill parent to watch. One of my classmates has a bedridden parent. Her mother died in a car accident. Her father survived but was bedridden. She was the only child. Guess what? That diploma has been giving her a little comfort to make ends meet. Leave that diploma alone. People will aim higher, for the most part, when they can do it.
I picked the wrong words to present my aim in the initial post. It was a mistake. All nurses indeed change lives for the better regardless of the degree or position. I tried to hear others' opinions about such matters. Some said they worked with nurses with a diploma, and they are smart. Some explained with data from their study that education preparation was not a primary factor influencing the completion of the residency program rather than age as the primary factor influencing such a program.
if I may ask you what if the ADN program offered as a replacement to Diploma and having ADN with feasible tuition as if it was the same price as a diploma. do you think there will be a positive outcome of doing such a thing? or having a diploma and ADN coexist with the different program price as our current situation considering that the current situation less diploma program being offered.
You are making the claim that ADN prepared nurses are more competent, educated, and more intelligent.
I would very much like to see the data and evidence that supports this claim.
Well, Data and evidence I am lacking. Thus opinionated claim stated to discuss such matter not only from theoretical only but including other's experiences as well.
No, getting my BSN did jack to make me a better RN. Just checking boxes with it. One of my coworkers has his MSN. That’s not what makes him smarter than me though. It’s his bachelors in math that does that.
How about the individual's intelligence when he was, let say, with a Bachelor then getting an MSN? Does that make the person smarter? When he was on BSN level not compared to others. Because I believe some people are intelligent by nature and others invest in such traits.
So investing in intelligence by getting exposed to articulate people
( professors ) might help one's get smarter. Not necessarily those who have Ph.D. smartest one but the person who receives education and gets better than himself without having such education was my point, but now I made it more detailed.
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Agree. One also used to be able to teach in nursing programs with an MSN. Not sure if they want a Doctorate now.