Different pay and responsibility for 2 year RN's VS 4 year RN's

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I'm completing an RN to BSN program in 2 months. I have learned so much in the BSN program I wish I had taken it sooner. The additional education has taught me skills I never learned in trainings, or by experience.

I think that just as there is a difference in the tasks an RN and LPN can preform, there should also be a difference in what a two year RN can do, in comparison to a RN with a BSN. The 2 year RN should not be in leadeership or management positions since they have not been trained in accredeited colleges for this skill. The BSN has. I'm sure the 2 yers RN's will disagree with me, and 2 years ago I would have disagreed also. However, after being able to compare the two from personal experience, I feel the BSN is more educated for leadership and management. The BSN nurse should be paid more, and should be the starting educational level for these positions.

Most professions have at least a 4 year degree. Nurses need to improve their educational standing to be equal with other professional fields.

Originally posted by nursecheryl

ya know, generally, l am an easy going person, out spoken and direct, but l don't tend to get riled easy...but these kinds of narrow thinking elitest attitudes MAKE ME CRAZY and are to blame for the flames on this topic......what else do you think will happen when you insult someone then cover it up with..."l'm just voicing my oppinion"..?. guess that's what the ignore feture is for....l hope l mis-read the intentions of the poster.(feb9822)..surely they are not truely that clueless........ LR

Above is much better than I could say how I feel. Sorry, I agree I wasn't being professional or mature with the previous post. I was not threatening that I would cause her a problem on the floors. But I happen to know this is what will happen if the wrong nurse see's her. I'm sure I'd say something to her though if I ever ran across her. As for telling me to stay out of your conversation. :chair: :roll

nursecheryl.....l do not recall in my posts telling you to stay out of my conversation.....go back and re- read....l think you have mistaken me with another poster.....anyhoo....your post about ppl recognizing pics and retribution was worded carelessly and l think some can easily take a threat.....happy that you clarified that.....one reason l do not post my pic avatar here is exactly that....ppl can be wicked...l have worked with nurses who would have eaten someone alive if they got wind of an "attitude"...it would be sad to start a new job and have co-workers disrespect you from the get-go cause you put your foot in it on the www:chuckle ....but things like that can happen....is this what you meant?........LR

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Originally posted by SmilingBluEyes

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"If I miss 15 minutes of class, my loss, but you don't treat adults that way"

I realize that you felt you had a good reason to be late to class that day--and you did. But looking from the instructors point of view--students who show up late for class aren't just causing "their loss"--they disrupt the entire class while they find their seat, get out their books, ask where we are in lecture, etc. I find it terribly disrespectful to all the other students when people are chronically and continually late for class.

I realize you are talking about a one time deal--but the instructor most likely has had to deal with tardiness over and over--and seeing as how it was the first day of class--I am sure she wanted to make her expectations known.

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Originally posted by nurseinstructor

Originally posted by SmilingBluEyes

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"If I miss 15 minutes of class, my loss, but you don't treat adults that way"

I realize that you felt you had a good reason to be late to class that day--and you did. But looking from the instructors point of view--students who show up late for class aren't just causing "their loss"--they disrupt the entire class while they find their seat, get out their books, ask where we are in lecture, etc. I find it terribly disrespectful to all the other students when people are chronically and continually late for class.

I realize you are talking about a one time deal--but the instructor most likely has had to deal with tardiness over and over--and seeing as how it was the first day of class--I am sure she wanted to make her expectations known.

Ok I gotta ask you; if I walk in quietly, sit at the back of the room, quietly play catch-up, and NOT disturb anyone HOW is this a problem for the professor? I PAY HER TUITION and I don't include being humiliated like a child in said tuition. I know theirs is not an easy job, but hey, I make the choice not to play these games, as an adult. I one day hope to be an instructor and will well remember what NOT to do w/the adults I am teaching. IF they are distuptive, that is another story. I WAS NOT. AND, My reasons were unavoidable; (not just "good" as you put it); she could have handled it much better. The students who preceded me said she was like this all the time. And she taught several classes in the RN-BSN component so I knew this would not be the end of this. So, I elected OUT of this sort of garbage, out of that university, and into an ONLINE schedule at another, competing university, same state. They may not care, but they lost $1000s when I dropped out of that program. I lost some time, but also the aggravation of it all,too. This one that works for me, does not berate me for tardiness, and works in MY schedule. But thanks for your input.

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Deb, I'm sorry you encountered that. The first thing I learned in college is that yes, we are treated like adults and if you miss class, your loss. Afterall, it's my money I'm paying.

My only comment regarding learning things on your own is that, by checking out sometimes outdated library holdings, and reading it in isolation, you miss out on various other methods of learning that help you actually learn the material: such as visual aids, learning exercises, homework, and class discussion. Sure, I could read my nursing books that I have now by myself, but my learning is enhanced by discussing ideas with my fellow students and my instructor.

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I can't believe we're beating this horse carcus again...

it's quiet simple to me..

a Lexus costs more than a Corolla because you get more for your money..

If a BSN nurse was of higher quality than an ASN or diploma nurse, then they too would be compensated for their quality..

it just ain't so and hospitals know it.

I'm doing an online RN-BSN program..

and I have NO doubt that I'll be no better a nurse when I'm finished than I am today (other than the gained bedside experience in the time it takes me to complete my degree)..

but for damn sure, I'll THINK I'm a better nurse..:D

btw..this lowly ASN RN charges over BSN's..at their request..because THEY respect my knowledge AND management skill (that was taught in life, not from a book).

It's easy for a BSN (or BSN-hope-to-be) to have an elitest attitude here online..hiding behind that computer screen..it all changes at the bedside when THEIR patient is crashing. Suddenly they turn and look at the calm, experienced nurse..not the degree. The letters on that paper do not save lives.

and with that being said...

do you guys REALLY think it's the diploma and ADN nurse holding your salary back??? You're patting your back to the wrong people..we could care less if you make more, the CEO's decide salary, not us. Personally, I DO think you deserve more...only because you sacrificed more in school...definitely not because you think you're a better nurse.

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Originally posted by nurseinstructor

Originally posted by SmilingBluEyes

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"If I miss 15 minutes of class, my loss, but you don't treat adults that way"

I realize that you felt you had a good reason to be late to class that day--and you did. But looking from the instructors point of view--students who show up late for class aren't just causing "their loss"--they disrupt the entire class while they find their seat, get out their books, ask where we are in lecture, etc. I find it terribly disrespectful to all the other students when people are chronically and continually late for class.

I realize you are talking about a one time deal--but the instructor most likely has had to deal with tardiness over and over--and seeing as how it was the first day of class--I am sure she wanted to make her expectations known.

sorry, but that is no excuse for treating anyone like that...if she can't show respect she doesnn't deserve to get any respect.....l would have done same as deb....but l probably would have addressed the instructor and let her know that her behavior was why l was withdrawing and made sure she knew l made my feelings known to her superior......just too dang much money to pay for humiliation...imo.

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and with that being said...

do you guys REALLY think it's the diploma and ADN nurse holding your salary back??? You're patting your back to the wrong people..we could care less if you make more, the CEO's decide salary, not us. Personally, I DO think you deserve more...only because you sacrificed more in school...definitely not because you think you're a better nurse.

The above speaks for itself...couldn't add a thing.

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originally posted by susy k

deb, i'm sorry you encountered that. the first thing i learned in college is that yes, we are treated like adults and if you miss class, your loss. afterall, it's my money i'm paying.

my only comment regarding learning things on your own is that, by checking out sometimes outdated library holdings, and reading it in isolation, you miss out on various other methods of learning that help you actually learn the material: such as visual aids, learning exercises, homework, and class discussion. sure, i could read my nursing books that i have now by myself, but my learning is enhanced by discussing ideas with my fellow students and my instructor.

...but all of the medical/nursing colleges/university libraries in the philly/south jersey area have books copyrighted up to 2003. i frequently go to my school's library in order to read the latest text for my transition's class because i simply don't have the money to purchase one. i just go to the circulation desk...after getting the number...& check it out for a couple of hours at a time. this book...in particular is copyrighted 2003...the previous editions are on the shelf (2000, 1996, & 1992)...& there really isn't that much of a difference between editions either.

cheers!

moe

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Different people learn differently; while a classroom may enhance the learning experience for one person, another may find such a formal setting a hinderance. And with the internet, it's relatively easy to find someone that can offer assistance if needed.

Truth be told, if I had the $$, I'd be a "professional student." Since I don't have unlimited resources, I have to settle for that which is most relevant.

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Originally posted by fab4fan

Truth be told, if I had the $$, I'd be a "professional student."

Oh, man. Me too. Anybody handing out lifetime scholarships out there?
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Yeah, too bad so many of us have kids of our own to support. Grade school, high school and college kids..but .the nursing community seems to think we should spend all our $$$ in upgrading our nursing educational skills above and beyond...to THEIR expectations....

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l rae, I'm sorry for the confusion. I was attempting to explain what made me react to other posts and used your post because it was worded better than I could have worded it myself. You never told me to stay out of your conversation and I didn't threaten you or anyone else for that matter. I was just warning another person in here not to use her picture because people can be very mean in the real world. cheryl

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