Did you just TRY to bully me?

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In general orientation after everyone has completed their health forms before lunch. After lunch the IC nurse is reviewing the forms and pipes up to the group (consisting of all departments not just nursing) "So Amanda, you haven't had the covid vaccine?" Gee Riley, is that a discussion for the whole group? "Well on Fridays all staff can go without masks and wear vaccinated tees that we gifted them with and there's a check mark sticker on their badge so everyone will know anyway." I respond oh, OK. No snark no sarcasm. Riley gets edgy and goes on a 5 minute rant that starts with don't you care about your patients you took an oath and ends with flu season is coming, how well do you think it will go for you if you get COVID, the flu and rsv at once? No response given because I felt that the entire exchange was unprofessional and chose to not participate.

1. I am not a crybaby or snowflake. I am  a vet and have been doing this a long time. I don't react out of feelings and this seemed overboard.

2. An employer has the right to set any rules they like. This includes the free I'm vaccinated tees and going maskless on Fridays. The check ✔ on the badges feels a little red A to me but still their choice.

3. Does the average nurse here think this tactic is OK? I understand wanting every nurse to choose vaccination but is trying to publicly embarrass them OK as well? 

I welcome all points of view but name calling and insults aren't welcomed or tolerated. Thanks guys.

On 7/8/2021 at 1:42 PM, Conqueror+ said:

In general orientation after everyone has completed their health forms before lunch. After lunch the IC nurse is reviewing the forms and pipes up to the group (consisting of all departments not just nursing) "So Amanda, you haven't had the covid vaccine?" Gee Riley, is that a discussion for the whole group? "Well on Fridays all staff can go without masks and wear vaccinated tees that we gifted them with and there's a check mark sticker on their badge so everyone will know anyway." I respond oh, OK. No snark no sarcasm. Riley gets edgy and goes on a 5 minute rant that starts with don't you care about your patients you took an oath and ends with flu season is coming, how well do you think it will go for you if you get covid, the flu and rsv at once? No response given because I felt that the entire exchange was unprofessional and chose to not participate.

1. I am not a crybaby or snowflake. I am  a vet and have been doing this a long time. I don't react out of feelings and this seemed overboard.

2. An employer has the right to set any rules they like. This includes the free I'm vaccinated tees and going maskless on Fridays. The check ✔ on the badges feels a little red A to me but still their choice.

3. Does the average nurse here think this tactic is OK? I understand wanting every nurse to choose vaccination but is trying to publicly embarass them OK as well? 

I welcome all points of view but name calling and insults aren't welcomed or tolerated. Thanks guys.

its amazing how now we are crucified for choosing not to get the vaccine. He was very unprofessional and out of line.

Specializes in Critical Care.
1 minute ago, Rnhopeful23 said:

its amazing how now we are crucified for choosing not to get the vaccine. He was very unprofessional and out of line.

If a nurse decides their opposed to ever washing their hands, and then another nurse calls them out on it, are they being "crucified"?  

1 minute ago, MunoRN said:

If a nurse decides their opposed to ever washing their hands, and then another nurse calls them out on it, are they being "crucified"?  

that is and isolated situation so technically no but when we have this census that nurses should be vaccinated because that is the only right way then they are being crucified.

Specializes in NICU, PICU, Transport, L&D, Hospice.
26 minutes ago, Rnhopeful23 said:

that is and isolated situation so technically no but when we have this census that nurses should be vaccinated because that is the only right way then they are being crucified.

"Crucified"

It's really painful for you to talk about why you've chosen not to vaccinate against the virus that had killed over 600k Americans?

Specializes in Critical Care.
38 minutes ago, Rnhopeful23 said:

that is and isolated situation so technically no but when we have this census that nurses should be vaccinated because that is the only right way then they are being crucified.

None of that makes any sense.

1 minute ago, toomuchbaloney said:

"Crucified"

It's really painful for you to talk about why you've chosen not to vaccinate against the virus that had killed over 600k Americans?

exactly crucified. whether anyone chooses to get it or not doesn't matter regardless of how many people it killed.   

4 minutes ago, MunoRN said:

None of that makes any sense.

of course not

Specializes in Critical Care.
24 minutes ago, Rnhopeful23 said:

exactly crucified. whether anyone chooses to get it or not doesn't matter regardless of how many people it killed.   

of course not

So you were intending your argument to be nonsensical?  If so, you succeeded, congratulations.

Specializes in NICU, PICU, Transport, L&D, Hospice.
52 minutes ago, Rnhopeful23 said:

exactly crucified. whether anyone chooses to get it or not doesn't matter regardless of how many people it killed.   

of course not

You'll learn about vaccine preventable diseases and why vaccination is important in nursing school.  Hyperbole only makes your argument appear weak and emotionally based. 

21 hours ago, londonflo said:

There is a new facebook gimmick of 'just ask a question for others to agree or disagree.' Of course the first question out of the chute..."should we REQUIRE covid vaccines?" Just agitating in my mind; just posted to agitate.  Many replies....let's pick a fight should actually  be the initial question. This post reminds me of that

 I didn't question vaccines being mandated or post some angry, emotional rant. I simply asked what other nurses thought of basically surrounding a nurse and pointing in shame because you don't agree with their choice regarding vaccination. I didn't cry about it or text my mommy, I just asked fellow nurses their thoughts. I also don't desire or require agreement. I just wanted opinions.

Specializes in NICU, PICU, Transport, L&D, Hospice.

So the whole group surrounded you and pointed at you to shame you? That's a new description of the interaction, isn't it? Was the large group rude or just the IC nurse? 

It's a normal emotional response to feel uncomfortable when singled out in a group for something perceived as outside the expected behavior for members of the group.  

19 hours ago, MunoRN said:

If a nurse decides their opposed to ever washing their hands, and then another nurse calls them out on it, are they being "crucified"?  

As a disclaimer, I am fully vaccinated and have no qualms about required vaccinations for health care workers.  That said, I've got to agree with the OP on this one and the above example is a straw man argument at best.  Handwashing is a universally accepted means of infection control and an expected behavior, the other is an encouraged, optional choice at this point.  Until this choice is removed, one's rationale/motivation should not be questioned or challenged, especially in a public forum.

Specializes in NICU, PICU, Transport, L&D, Hospice.
6 minutes ago, morelostthanfound said:

As a disclaimer, I am fully vaccinated and have no qualms about required vaccinations for health care workers.  That said, I've got to agree with the OP on this one and the above example is a straw man argument at best.  Handwashing is a universally accepted means of infection control and an expected behavior, the other is an encouraged, optional choice at this point.  Until this choice is removed, one's rationale/motivation should not be questioned or challenged, especially in a public forum.

Are you arguing that vaccination is NOT a universally or widely accepted means of contagious disease control and an expected behavior for health professionals? It sounds like that's what you are arguing.  

Let's be clear, vaccine reluctance, specifically among health professionals is not normal or expected behavior.   Which vaccines (that you've received in this country) were other than optional? How is this covid vaccination option different from your option to receive the influenza vaccine (apart from the pandemic and 600k dead Americans)? Are you more concerned about the EUA than the virus and it's variants?

Where did you ever get the idea that someone's rationale/motivation for ignoring public health recommendations for vaccination is out of bounds for challenge or questioning? 

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