Delta Variant as Contagious as Chicken Pox

[9kidsmomRN]

CDC study shows 74% of people infected in Massachusetts Covid outbreak were fully vaccinated

PUBLISHED FRI, JUL 30 20212:34 PM EDTUPDATED FRI, JUL 30 20218:27 PM EDT

CNBC also reported on the Massachusetts out break above. I think we need to start thinking differently and as the video says, ask more questions and seek truth!

We talk a lot about health care, but what we do is illness care. Health Care would involve preventing illness. This means taking measures to avoid becoming ill and taking part in promoting wellness. Unfortunately “medicine” and big pharma only make money when people are ill. I am happy to have provided care for many people, to give them the ability to live another day, love their families and friends longer. But really I want to share the secrets of health and wellness, promote proper diet and exercise, encourage use of good supplements so that illness can be avoided! Wouldn’t that be the best use of health care dollars? There would still be many patients who are unfortunate victims of bad genetics or who simply continue to make unwise choices! 

[heron, ASN, RN]

23 minutes ago, 9kidsmomRN said:

CDC study shows 74% of people infected in Massachusetts Covid outbreak were fully vaccinated

PUBLISHED FRI, JUL 30 20212:34 PM EDTUPDATED FRI, JUL 30 20218:27 PM EDT

CNBC also reported on the Massachusetts out break above. I think we need to start thinking differently and as the video says, ask more questions and seek truth!

We talk a lot about health care, but what we do is illness care. Health Care would involve preventing illness. This means taking measures to avoid becoming ill and taking part in promoting wellness. Unfortunately “medicine” and big pharma only make money when people are ill. I am happy to have provided care for many people, to give them the ability to live another day, love their families and friends longer. But really I want to share the secrets of health and wellness, promote proper diet and exercise, encourage use of good supplements so that illness can be avoided! Wouldn’t that be the best use of health care dollars? There would still be many patients who are unfortunate victims of bad genetics or who simply continue to make unwise choices! 

BUT you left out the other half the story: what percentage of those hospitalized with Covid are vaccinated. According to what I’ve read it’s 5% or less. Interesting that someone advocating for healthier lifestyles is so unaware of the principles of risk reduction.

IOW, those of us who are vaccinated may still be at risk of infection, but our chances of illness severe enough to require hospitalization are vastly reduced. Our chances of transmitting the virus to others can also be vastly reduced by the usual: handwashing, masking and social distancing.

[toomuchbaloney]

37 minutes ago, 9kidsmomRN said:

We talk a lot about health care, but what we do is illness care. Health Care would involve preventing illness. This means taking measures to avoid becoming ill and taking part in promoting wellness. 

Your comment implies that eligible people should vaccinate against covid ASAP. Does this represent some covid dissonance for you, because your comment leads me to believe that you think you can protect yourself from covid with healthy living?

[GrumpyRN, NP]

33 minutes ago, 9kidsmomRN said:

CDC study shows 74% of people infected in Massachusetts Covid outbreak were fully vaccinated

PUBLISHED FRI, JUL 30 20212:34 PM EDTUPDATED FRI, JUL 30 20218:27 PM EDT

CNBC also reported on the Massachusetts out break above. I think we need to start thinking differently and as the video says, ask more questions and seek truth!

As soon as this "doctor" stated that the virus is too small to be contained by masks I knew he was a charlatan. He conveniently forgets that masks stop droplet transmission which are much larger than an individual virus. Unless of course he thinks that the virus can 'worm' its way through masks.

That video was a litany of half truths, lies and completely misrepresented facts. 

Why is it that only in the USA is this a problem? The rest of the world seems to understand the science.

[Horseshoe, BSN, RN]

22 minutes ago, heron said:

 

 

22 minutes ago, heron said:

BUT you left out the other half the story: what percentage of those hospitalized with Covid are vaccinated. According to what I’ve read it’s 5% or less. Interesting that someone advocating for healthier lifestyles is so unaware of the principles of risk reduction.

IOW, those of us who are vaccinated may still be at risk of infection, but our chances of illness severe enough to require hospitalization are vastly reduced. Our chances of transmitting the virus to others can also be vastly reduced by the usual: handwashing, masking and social distancing.

The other thing about that event is that the vast majority of people who attended the event were vaccinated, so naturally more of the infections would be coming from vaccinated people. That 74% is an outlier when compared to every day life, I.e. not a large gathering of people. In "real life" the majority of infections are occurring in the unvaccinated and the VAST MAJORITY of serious illness and deaths are happening to unvaccinated people.

So I disagree with the other poster that the Massachusetts event mandates any great change in the way we look at and deal with Covid.

[toomuchbaloney]

6 minutes ago, GrumpyRN said:

Why is it that only in the USA is this a problem? The rest of the world seems to understand the science.

Well, we have an alarming number of people in the USA who decided a couple decades ago that they needed to narrow their media consumption based upon politics. They were encouraged in that decision making by the propagandists in the marketing arena that they preferred and then, ultimately, the politicians got actively involved in that "fake news" nonsense. It's a real problem that so many people are adversely affected by propaganda and lies in the age of information.  

[toomuchbaloney]

52 minutes ago, 9kidsmomRN said:

There would still be many patients who are unfortunate victims of bad genetics or who simply continue to make unwise choices! 

The ultimate unwise choice in 2021 is to remain unvaccinated.  

[subee, MSN, CRNA]

On 8/3/2021 at 12:59 PM, BostonFNP said:

Stayed tuned, it's coming up after the next break 

Isn't omega the last letter of the Greek alphabet?  Are we there already?  Lambda is only the 11th.  BUT, as long as people refuse to vaccinate, we will be getting to the last letter of the alphabet and beyond.

[subee, MSN, CRNA]

2 hours ago, 9kidsmomRN said:

CDC study shows 74% of people infected in Massachusetts Covid outbreak were fully vaccinated

PUBLISHED FRI, JUL 30 20212:34 PM EDTUPDATED FRI, JUL 30 20218:27 PM EDT

CNBC also reported on the Massachusetts out break above. I think we need to start thinking differently and as the video says, ask more questions and seek truth!

We talk a lot about health care, but what we do is illness care. Health Care would involve preventing illness. This means taking measures to avoid becoming ill and taking part in promoting wellness. Unfortunately “medicine” and big pharma only make money when people are ill. I am happy to have provided care for many people, to give them the ability to live another day, love their families and friends longer. But really I want to share the secrets of health and wellness, promote proper diet and exercise, encourage use of good supplements so that illness can be avoided! Wouldn’t that be the best use of health care dollars? There would still be many patients who are unfortunate victims of bad genetics or who simply continue to make unwise choices! 

Viruses don't really care what diet, supplements or exercise you have.  You will STILL get any viral disease.  What all this other stuff does is make it easier for you to recover....unless you have long Covid as many previously healthy (runners, etc) are left with.  Right now our money should be spent on vaccine, keeping people out of the hospital and getting our economy back in order.  We can't do any of those things until we have the virus under control.

Just now, subee said:

Viruses don't really care what diet, supplements or exercise you have.  You will STILL get any viral disease.  What all this other stuff does is make it easier for you to recover....unless you have long Covid as many previously healthy (runners, etc) are left with.  Right now our money should be spent on vaccine, keeping people out of the hospital and getting our economy back in order.  We can't do any of those things until we have the virus under control.  And BTW, that person speaking on that video is a quack who is drowning in the Kool-ade.

 

[imppress]

18 minutes ago, subee said:

 Right now our money should be spent on vaccine, keeping people out of the hospital and getting our economy back in order.

Right.

It will be cheaper, faster, and accomplished with less pushback if we focus on those who have been neither vaccinated nor infected. 

 

Both the CDC

https://www.CDC.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/science/science-briefs/fully-vaccinated-people.html#ref30

 

and the European Centre for Disease Prevention and Control

 

https://www.ecdc.europa.eu/sites/default/files/documents/Partial COVID vaccination and heterologous vacc schedule - 22 July 2021.pdf

(reference #18)

 

Have both cited (and therefore, vouched for) the Israel Ministry of Health Study at:

https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.04.20.21255670v1

which said:

"Vaccination was highly effective with overall estimated efficacy for documented infection of 92·8% (CI:[92·6, 93·0]); hospitalization 94·2% (CI:[93·6, 94·7]); severe illness 94·4% (CI:[93·6, 95·0]); and death 93·7% (CI:[92·5, 94·7]). 

 

prior SARS-CoV-2 infection for documented infection is 94·8% (CI:[94·4, 95·1]); hospitalization 94·1% (CI:[91·9, 95·7]); and severe illness 96·4% (CI:[92·5, 98·3]). 

 

Our results question the need to vaccinate previously-infected individuals."

 

Not all unvaccinated people are deniers, nor do they pose a proven public safety threat greater than vaccinated people.

The current distraction of demanding vaccination of those who are not a public threat is not based on scientific data. 

Previously infected people have demonstrated a very modest improvement from vaccination only if they were hospitalized by COVID the first time, but that is the only exception.

https://www.jabfm.org/content/risk-new-hospitalization-post-covid-19-infection-non-covid-19-conditions-0

"After adjustment for potential confounding variables, there was no significantly increased risk in future hospitalization for any condition for patients who were COVID-19 positive versus those who were COVID-19 negative (HR 1.31; 95% CI 0.98, 1.74). In adjusted analyses, individuals with severe COVID-19 had an increased risk of hospitalization for potential complications compared to both mild/moderate COVID-19 (HR 2.20; 95% CI 1.13, 4.28) and COVID-19 negative patients (HR 2.24; 95% CI: 1.52, 3.30). Discussion: Patients with a severe COVID-19 episode were at greater risk for future hospitalizations. This study reinforces the importance of preventing infection in patients at higher risk for severe COVID-19 cases."

This isn't medical opinion or speculation, these are CDC cited facts and our outreach is currently pointlessly diluted.

[toomuchbaloney]

1 hour ago, imppress said:

Right.

It will be cheaper, faster, and accomplished with less pushback if we focus on those who have been neither vaccinated nor infected. 

 

Both the CDC

https://www.CDC.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/science/science-briefs/fully-vaccinated-people.html#ref30

 

and the European Centre for Disease Prevention and Control

 

https://www.ecdc.europa.eu/sites/default/files/documents/Partial COVID vaccination and heterologous vacc schedule - 22 July 2021.pdf

(reference #18)

 

Have both cited (and therefore, vouched for) the Israel Ministry of Health Study at:

https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.04.20.21255670v1

which said:

"Vaccination was highly effective with overall estimated efficacy for documented infection of 92·8% (CI:[92·6, 93·0]); hospitalization 94·2% (CI:[93·6, 94·7]); severe illness 94·4% (CI:[93·6, 95·0]); and death 93·7% (CI:[92·5, 94·7]). 

 

prior SARS-CoV-2 infection for documented infection is 94·8% (CI:[94·4, 95·1]); hospitalization 94·1% (CI:[91·9, 95·7]); and severe illness 96·4% (CI:[92·5, 98·3]). 

 

Our results question the need to vaccinate previously-infected individuals."

 

Not all unvaccinated people are deniers, nor do they pose a proven public safety threat greater than vaccinated people.

The current distraction of demanding vaccination of those who are not a public threat is not based on scientific data. 

Previously infected people have demonstrated a very modest improvement from vaccination only if they were hospitalized by COVID the first time, but that is the only exception.

https://www.jabfm.org/content/risk-new-hospitalization-post-covid-19-infection-non-covid-19-conditions-0

"After adjustment for potential confounding variables, there was no significantly increased risk in future hospitalization for any condition for patients who were COVID-19 positive versus those who were COVID-19 negative (HR 1.31; 95% CI 0.98, 1.74). In adjusted analyses, individuals with severe COVID-19 had an increased risk of hospitalization for potential complications compared to both mild/moderate COVID-19 (HR 2.20; 95% CI 1.13, 4.28) and COVID-19 negative patients (HR 2.24; 95% CI: 1.52, 3.30). Discussion: Patients with a severe COVID-19 episode were at greater risk for future hospitalizations. This study reinforces the importance of preventing infection in patients at higher risk for severe COVID-19 cases."

This isn't medical opinion or speculation, these are CDC cited facts and our outreach is currently pointlessly diluted.

Nonsense.  All effort should be focused upon vaccinating the unvaccinated while protecting those who cannot vaccinate. 

[SmilingBluEyes]

1 minute ago, toomuchbaloney said:

Nonsense.  All effort should be focused upon vaccinating the unvaccinated while protecting those who cannot vaccinate. 

Agreed.