Covid-19 Vaccine Trials in South Africa: Another Tuskegee? #Black Lives Matter Around the World

Black this….., black that……, poverty this …, health disparities that….., police brutality here and am adding to the list, black exploitation by pharmaceuticals. Why not test in Italy, France, New York, New Jersey or Connecticut? Racism? Bigotry? Greediness? Ignorance or Plain Stupidity #Black Lives Matter around the world. Nurses COVID Article

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The death of George Floyd has unveiled many atrocities done to harm black people all over the world. We have seen all races united to give us a voice. During COVID-19, poverty, health disparities and comorbidities such as HTN and diabetes have claimed the lives of black people more than other races. Black people have been hit by a double edged sword, everywhere they turn, they are being exploited, killed or harmed and pharmaceuticals are guilty as well, they see black poor people, they see gold, they test medications, vaccines and perform medical trials, yet black people do not reap what these companies harvest: they do not enjoy the proceeds, yet remain poor, die from harm or plain simple, contribute without enough compensation

Amid all the riots and chaos in the world, I was watching the evening news where I saw some black South Africans sitting on a bench waiting for their turn to get the COVID-19 vaccine. My heart sank; I was so helpless, I sobbed. I called my daughter, who will be taking step one exam to complete her medical degree and become a physician to watch with me. This has been a hot topic in my household, and it should be time for change. My daughter has been involved in research and has evidenced the unfair treatment of blacks. I was outraged; I could not finish my dinner.

Africans Used for Testing COVOD-19 Vaccines

We witnessed the French doctors on television, not knowing that they were being taped discussing their plan to test the COVID-19 vaccine in Africans (Kossoff, 2020). Numerous relatives from South Africa and Zimbabwe have been calling us seeking advice about the vaccine trials, and we told them to absolutely not to take it. There goes another Tuskegee again. How long can black people suffer, not only racism, health disparities, but they are subject to many medical trials and vaccines that can harm them. No one knows the long term effects of the vaccine.

Two French doctors discussed on live television how a new COVID-19 vaccine under development should be first tested in Africa, "where there are no masks, no treatment, nor intensive care." (Kossoff, 2020)

One of them, Jean-Paul Mira, even compared Africans to prostitutes who were the focus of past AIDS studies. "We tried things on prostitutes because they are highly exposed and do not protect themselves," he said (Kossoff, 2020)

Growing up in Zimbabwe, Africa, I have witnessed many trials of medications and vaccines for HIV, oral contraceptives, to name a few. Many African countries are breeding grounds for big western pharmaceuticals, yet in the long run do not benefit from the proceeds. Many of the research participants do not consent and are not even aware of what is being given due to health illiteracy, which is a human right violation.

I have living relatives that have suffered the effects of such trials. I have an aunt who was given an oral contraceptive that turned out to be fatal. We only found out 10 years later when she was trying to have children. Another relative was given trials of polio vaccine which also resulted in harm. Women’s reproductive health is being violated, the old, poor and frail succumb to these big companies, even children are not exempt. African leaders are poor and greedy, they are so selfish that they sacrifice their people in exchange of cuff links, and a packet of sugar, what a disgrace!

Violation of Human Rights

Apartheid in South Africa and colonizers of African countries were characterized by systematic violation of human rights of the Black population (Barsdorf & Wassenaar, 2005). Succeeding ruling institutions perpetuated and enforced such violations (Barsdorf & Wassenaar, 2005). Consequently, Black South Africans may be apprehensive of scientific research in which the Black population are targeted as participants, regardless of the reason for them being selected. In America, Blacks are targeted as well due to poverty and low health literacy levels.

Increasingly, people worry that undue inducements for research participants in developing countries compromise the voluntariness necessary for informed consent (Emanuel, Currie, & Herman, 2005). In general, these research participants are poor, poorly educated, with access to few health-care services. They are often powerless, especially compared with pharmaceutical companies and researchers from developed countries.

What makes Africa Vulnerable

What makes individuals, groups, or even entire countries vulnerable? And why is vulnerability a concern in bioethics? A simple answer to both questions is that vulnerable individuals and groups are subject to exploitation, and exploitation is morally wrong. Vulnerable individuals can be harmed. African governments have to protect their people by raising awareness of exploitation and efforts to enhance the ability to protect their citizens from exploitation at the hands of powerful sponsors of research and not be enticed by expensive gifts.

Conclusion

James Marion Sims performed gynecological exams on enslaved black women and their children because he thought black women were less intelligent than their white counterparts (Sartin, 2004). The Tuskegee's black men were infected with syphilis without their knowledge (Reverby, 2012). Some people might say, why are you bringing this up, it was done long ago. But my point is to show that there is trend since slavery in using poor black people for research, many people were harmed, in case of good results, not compensated accordingly.

There is a trend of exploitation, and it is still taking place in America and poor African countries in 2020. Now that we can discuss racism, bigotry, oppression lets involve pharmaceutical companies. As nurses, we cannot participate in such activities, and it is our duty to educate and inform people in vulnerable populations about informed consent and participation in human trials. I am glad I can write about this and enlighten everyone without fear of retribution or being told by white people that racism is not real and it is an imaginary situation in black man/woman’s head. It's real, people, I am black and beautiful and a proud African .

When pharmaceuticals see poor black people, they see gold, free guinea pigs for research!

#Black Lives Matter - around the world. Stop medical exploitation on blacks!

Specializes in LTC Management, Community Nursing, HHC.
On 7/10/2020 at 8:41 AM, ThePrincessBride said:

No...we can't.

https://medium.com/an-injustice/can-black-people-be-racist-2838a404e14c

I am guessing you are East Indian/South Asian based on your description. If that is the case, I would recommend you educating yourself on race in America and listening to black Americans before spouting off at the mouth.

You've got to me kidding me! You're using MEDIUM as your justification that black people can't be racist? Do you know who writes on Medium? People who are trying to become writers. They write and express their own opinions. There were no references, no studies, just one guy's opinion.

Any human being has the ability to be racist. Racism is a learned attitude / behavior toward other people. And it doesn't just happen in America. It even happens in countries where there are no blacks or whites among the population.

Specializes in NICU, PICU, Transport, L&D, Hospice.

I'm not certain that racism against blacks in the USA has anything to do with the homeland of the nonwhite person. Most of the racists that I have dealt with operate more based upon assumptions, emotions and learned behavior than upon geographic realities or any factual foundation.

On 7/12/2020 at 12:27 PM, toomuchbaloney said:

I'm not certain that racism against blacks in the USA has anything to do with the homeland of the nonwhite person. Most of the racists that I have dealt with operate more based upon assumptions, emotions and learned behavior than upon geographic realities or any factual foundation.

from my experience it's learned behavior passed on down by the parents, or limited exposure where someone collectively tars an entire race based on a single bad experience. in the former case, hopefully the kids get away while they are young enough to experience a more open mindset elsewhere.

Specializes in CRNA, Finally retired.

So, we shouldn't do drug trials in Africa unless the tested drug is given by a Black doctor? Should we limit people's autonomy because we think they are too stupid to form their own opinions ? In a perfect world, Africa would be filled with African doctors. I think everyone could agree with this because it would mean that a bunch of societal norms have improved. Would Africa (or any other place) be better off without the vaccine?

3 hours ago, subee said:

So, we shouldn't do drug trials in Africa unless the tested drug is given by a Black doctor?

Who said that?

Specializes in CRNA, Finally retired.
1 hour ago, NurseBlaq said:

Who said that?

Me! IMHO, the logical conclusion to your argument is that no one except an

an African trained provider could make things right in Africa. Who do you think should decide who gets to run a trial in Africa? Now, if you could lead me to consider that the continent has actually suffered from drug trials that were conducted no where else, that would give you points. Feel free to educate me. My mind is open. The studies our own Americans conducted in the South strike me as more evil than drug trials in Africa. What steps would make it more just for you without the patient suffering more because they couldn't have access to the drug? There are cancer patients begging to get in trials here with some very tough therapies.

t

On 7/3/2020 at 6:00 PM, simba and mufasa said:

Hi Everyone

Due to time constraints, I will not be able to respond individually. The point of this article is to highlight that NIH guidelines are not utilized in these countries. Even if they are, most of them are not transparent and people end up in trials not knowing what they are being subjected to. Of course there are trials here in America and abroad, what about New York or Jersey which had the highest COVID numbers? Good for the English and other countries if given enough informed consent and agreement to participate. Yes, the dialogue is to highlight what has been happening for decades and yes, it comes down to dividing black and white and it is real.

There is a saying " walk a mile in someone else’s shoes". That is why racism and bigotry is still strife, those who do not experience any of the situations black people are talking about will try to talk down, trample, force one to choose words according to what they want to hear, suppressing the voices of many. I do not have to prove a point to any one, history and other occasions have been documented. The fact is that there is violation of human rights and exploitation of people in African countries and that needs change as well. If research or trials are done, it should be fair and people should be compensated accordingly.

Thank you for participating and sharing your different opinions, that is why this is such a great county.

Dr Madenya 

So long as Westphalian nation-states exist, there will be no fair compensation to be had by populations of developing nations. Each country is driven by their own self-interest in their own population. Global health and international development is not an altruistic endeavor, it is diplomacy.

Specializes in Cardiac.

Look also at the “vaccination” trials done in India. Bill Gates and his foundation have propagated atrocities there as well as in Africa on unsuspecting people groups. We must be very careful of the toxins that we allow to be injected into us. There are those who would have us turn a blind eye to true science and willingly sign our health away in “hope” of quelling a contagion. However, there has been no progress In decades towards a viable vaccine for any of the many types of “coronaviruses” that are out there including the common cold. Why do we think that we can rush to make one now? And why would a rushed vaccine be acceptable? Of the initial vaccines that have been tested there is about a 10% chance that it will cause a serious side effect to the receiver. That compared with the 99+% chance that one will survive contracting the disease. Remember that the vaccines being tested are mRNA vaccines.
A telling statistic out of NY states that 25% of New Yorkers actually have antibodies to “this novel virus” which shows us that as sad as the deaths have been, an even higher percentage of people have 1) survived and 2) didn’t even get sick enough to seek treatment (or even recognize the symptoms as coronavirus ).
I also think that at least as much focus needs to be placed on treatments for the disease process. What protocols are working and which antivirals/medications/vitamins/minerals are working? What can be added to make treatments more effective. Encourage early testing, healthy living and of course the old standards of good hygiene, hand washing, covering coughs and sneezes, good disinfecting procedures.
Back to Bill Gates.... what does he have to do with this?? His and Melinda’s foundation is the second largest supporter of WHO, they have heavily supported many vaccination protocols and testing vaccines in many 3rd world countries. His background is that his father was closely tied to Margaret Sanger who was racist and promoted abortions/contraception primarily to black people and impoverished whites to “decrease their numbers” (read eliminate). Also be aware of his political bent—to decrease the world’s population so that the rich can be richer and the poor won’t exist—not that poverty will be eliminated—it’s that the poor people will be eliminated through eugenics—breeding desirable traits. Check out Bill Gates:

Bill Gates proudly speaks on his father’s involvement on the board of Planned Parenthood, which was founded on the concept that most human beings are just “reckless breeders”. https://tottnews.com/2020/04/09/gates-family-eugenics-covid-19/

This is just one article that I have read that convinces me of the real story behind COVID-19, the rush to make a vaccine and the political agenda behind it all.

Specializes in CRNA, Finally retired.
3 hours ago, 9kidsmomRN said:

Look also at the “vaccination” trials done in India. Bill Gates and his foundation have propagated atrocities there as well as in Africa on unsuspecting people groups. We must be very careful of the toxins that we allow to be injected into us. There are those who would have us turn a blind eye to true science and willingly sign our health away in “hope” of quelling a contagion. However, there has been no progress In decades towards a viable vaccine for any of the many types of “coronaviruses” that are out there including the common cold. Why do we think that we can rush to make one now? And why would a rushed vaccine be acceptable? Of the initial vaccines that have been tested there is about a 10% chance that it will cause a serious side effect to the receiver. That compared with the 99+% chance that one will survive contracting the disease. Remember that the vaccines being tested are mRNA vaccines.
A telling statistic out of NY states that 25% of New Yorkers actually have antibodies to “this novel virus” which shows us that as sad as the deaths have been, an even higher percentage of people have 1) survived and 2) didn’t even get sick enough to seek treatment (or even recognize the symptoms as coronavirus ).
I also think that at least as much focus needs to be placed on treatments for the disease process. What protocols are working and which antivirals/medications/vitamins/minerals are working? What can be added to make treatments more effective. Encourage early testing, healthy living and of course the old standards of good hygiene, hand washing, covering coughs and sneezes, good disinfecting procedures.
Back to Bill Gates.... what does he have to do with this?? His and Melinda’s foundation is the second largest supporter of WHO, they have heavily supported many vaccination protocols and testing vaccines in many 3rd world countries. His background is that his father was closely tied to Margaret Sanger who was racist and promoted abortions/contraception primarily to black people and impoverished whites to “decrease their numbers” (read eliminate). Also be aware of his political bent—to decrease the world’s population so that the rich can be richer and the poor won’t exist—not that poverty will be eliminated—it’s that the poor people will be eliminated through eugenics—breeding desirable traits. Check out Bill Gates:

Bill Gates proudly speaks on his father’s involvement on the board of Planned Parenthood, which was founded on the concept that most human beings are just “reckless breeders”. https://tottnews.com/2020/04/09/gates-family-eugenics-covid-19/

This is just one article that I have read that convinces me of the real story behind COVID-19, the rush to make a vaccine and the political agenda behind it all.

The website you have noted claims science to be false. It is a collection of comically skewed articles for wildly gullible readers. If you went to college, you should ask for a refund.

3 hours ago, 9kidsmomRN said:

Look also at the “vaccination” trials done in India. Bill Gates and his foundation have propagated atrocities there as well as in Africa on unsuspecting people groups. We must be very careful of the toxins that we allow to be injected into us. There are those who would have us turn a blind eye to true science and willingly sign our health away in “hope” of quelling a contagion. However, there has been no progress In decades towards a viable vaccine for any of the many types of “coronaviruses” that are out there including the common cold. Why do we think that we can rush to make one now? And why would a rushed vaccine be acceptable? Of the initial vaccines that have been tested there is about a 10% chance that it will cause a serious side effect to the receiver. That compared with the 99+% chance that one will survive contracting the disease. Remember that the vaccines being tested are mRNA vaccines.
A telling statistic out of NY states that 25% of New Yorkers actually have antibodies to “this novel virus” which shows us that as sad as the deaths have been, an even higher percentage of people have 1) survived and 2) didn’t even get sick enough to seek treatment (or even recognize the symptoms as coronavirus ).
I also think that at least as much focus needs to be placed on treatments for the disease process. What protocols are working and which antivirals/medications/vitamins/minerals are working? What can be added to make treatments more effective. Encourage early testing, healthy living and of course the old standards of good hygiene, hand washing, covering coughs and sneezes, good disinfecting procedures.
Back to Bill Gates.... what does he have to do with this?? His and Melinda’s foundation is the second largest supporter of WHO, they have heavily supported many vaccination protocols and testing vaccines in many 3rd world countries. His background is that his father was closely tied to Margaret Sanger who was racist and promoted abortions/contraception primarily to black people and impoverished whites to “decrease their numbers” (read eliminate). Also be aware of his political bent—to decrease the world’s population so that the rich can be richer and the poor won’t exist—not that poverty will be eliminated—it’s that the poor people will be eliminated through eugenics—breeding desirable traits. Check out Bill Gates:

Bill Gates proudly speaks on his father’s involvement on the board of Planned Parenthood, which was founded on the concept that most human beings are just “reckless breeders”. https://tottnews.com/2020/04/09/gates-family-eugenics-covid-19/

This is just one article that I have read that convinces me of the real story behind COVID-19, the rush to make a vaccine and the political agenda behind it all.

The only reason I chose to respond to your post is the off chance that someone who doesn’t have a healthcare background stumbles onto this thread, and thinks what you write is credible medical information.

In my opinion, any nurse who believes that vaccines cause more harm than good, should ask for an immediate refund from the school responsible for their nursing education. Vaccines saves lives. Period.


We were already well aware that Bill Gates is a major target for the conspiracy crowd. Any rational person will dismiss the nonsense claim about Gates-Covid-eugenics.

You make some serious claims without backing them up with credible sources.

I wouldn’t personally use the word ”chance” when talking about side efffects. Risk is a more appropriate word. Anyway, trial drugs with 10 % serious side effects in phase 1 or phase 2, will generally not continue on to phase 3. Since you’re claiming that is the case with all? the initial vaccine trials, you need to provide a CREDIBLE source.

Oh and FYI, healthcare professionals tend not to refer to life-saving vaccines as toxins.

Tott news? Seriously? I’d never heard of it so I checked them out. It appears they’re described as Australia’s fastest growing source of independent ALTERNATIVE NEWS and media.

I’ll say...

On 7/19/2020 at 3:45 PM, subee said:

Me! IMHO, the logical conclusion to your argument is that no one except an

an African trained provider could make things right in Africa. Who do you think should decide who gets to run a trial in Africa? Now, if you could lead me to consider that the continent has actually suffered from drug trials that were conducted no where else, that would give you points. Feel free to educate me. My mind is open. The studies our own Americans conducted in the South strike me as more evil than drug trials in Africa. What steps would make it more just for you without the patient suffering more because they couldn't have access to the drug? There are cancer patients begging to get in trials here with some very tough therapies.

t

What exactly is MY argument? Because I asked you who said no one but Black people should be treating people in Africa you went and assumed I had the argument you're going on about, BUT you weren't even replying to me when you said it. Also, YOU said it, no one else, so why not read through the thread, and the many others explaining this already answered/discussed subject instead of making assumptions and creating a whole argument around something you conjured in your head. Again, you're arguing and worked up about something clearly not said. SMH

Secondly, I have not seen a single person in this thread say that ONLY Black people should be taking care of Africans. You pulled that out of the air then went on a tangent about something simply not said.

Thirdly, comparing healthcare and drug trials in America vs those in Africa is not only comparing apples to potatoes, it's also disingenuous. They are two completely different continents and US is a country, Africa is a continent made up of many different countries and none are like the other. There is a huge difference there.

Lastly, Black people worldwide have reason to be cautious when it comes to drug trials, among other issues in healthcare, due to racial disparities that not only happened in the past but continue today. To dismiss those feelings of caution and hostility, sometimes justifies, as if it's ridiculous and unnecessary is ridiculous in and of itself. There are tons of articles, including scholarly articles, on why this is an issue so I'm not going to waste my time on explaining the ins and outs of that. Africans are cautious of drug trials too, many have said so themselves. We're in America so people dismiss our viewpoints, but across the whole continent, many Africans have the same views. Do you want to challenge or dismiss them as well? Why do you feel you're owed an explanation for how/why people have certain feelings? Who made you the gatekeeper on viewpoints and feelings? This is a common problem that needs to be addressed too. When we say we feel, think, experienced, seen certain things, why are they always being challenged despite all the resources and supporting evidence? So again I say it's dismissive, condescending, and depending on the topic/tone/person, it can also have a racist undertone. I don't know if these apply to you or not, my point is, those are the facts and they're well documented.

And since you decided to speak on cancer, do you know how many Black/Brown/Native people die from cancer that has been misdiagnosed, undiagnosed, or flat out ignored by their doctors who didn't care to treat them. It's not because of insurance either. We're also seeing this play out during the current pandemic. And the people generally begging to get into those trials are basically out of options, severely afraid of succumbing to cancer or are unable to pay for regular cancer treatments, so they would rather try trial cancer drugs than sit there and do nothing knowing they're going to die soon anyway. That is also a big difference, regardless of race, age, income, etc. So again, it's not comparable to this topic.

1 hour ago, NurseBlaq said:

What exactly is MY argument? Because I asked you who said no one but Black people should be treating people in Africa you went and assumed I had the argument you're going on about, BUT you weren't even replying to me when you said it. Also, YOU said it, no one else, so why not read through the thread, and the many others explaining this already answered/discussed subject instead of making assumptions and creating a whole argument around something you conjured in your head. Again, you're arguing and worked up about something clearly not said. SMH

Secondly, I have not seen a single person in this thread say that ONLY Black people should be taking care of Africans. You pulled that out of the air then went on a tangent about something simply not said.

Trying to navigate this thread is like attempting to walk a very slick tightrope after a shot of sux. The anti-vaxx interlude was almost welcome relief.

NurseBlaq, I know you aren’t directing this last post at me, but someone in this thread actually did say something similar. It’s back on page 4 and the post was a reply to one of my posts. This is what the other poster wrote: ”It is the fact that WHITE doctors want to experiment on poor black people that makes this oh so wrong. Why can’t they test white French citizens? It would be one thing if these doctors were black South African but they are not and they don’t seem to see black people as human”.

This poster didn’t say that a white nurse or physician doesn’t have any business providing care for a black person ever, but at least in regards to vaccine trials taking place in South Africa she appears to think that a white doctor should be disqualified due to color. I chose not to respond to this at the time. Honestly I just found it depressing and figured further discussion would likely be futile.

Posts in this thread seem to devolve into confrontation and it just seems like we’re talking past each other.

My concern is the same as it’s been throughout this thread. I think that distrust towards research and the medical professions, no matter how historically justified that distrust is, will translate into being disadvantaged healthwise.

Covid-19 vaccine trials are taking part all over the world. Do people in African countries not want to take part in these trials? Is it better to do the trials in other countries and instead discover the potential side effects or other pertinent characteristics when the approved drug is administered to millions instead of thousands during the trial phase?

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