I've been a lurker for awhile, and I know that this post has been brought up 1-2 times in the last 2 years that I've been an RN. So... you grouchy old farts that would rather I'd revive an old post can just stuff a sock in it. I want to gauge opinions based on our CURRENT situation after the shooting yesterday in San Bernadino, CA.
Truth be told, One single caregiver with a concealed carry permit could have shut this couple down before they hit 14 fatalities.
I plan on getting my CC in January, but I know as an RN, should my handgun be discovered, I'll probably lose my license. It will stay in my car when I am at work. If someone wants to carry out mayhem at my workplace, we are ALL sitting ducks. It is not ok or fair. What are your thoughts?
The difference seems pretty negligible. Especially if CCWs don't have to recertify fairly frequently.
The requirement (at least for CA) is for USUALLY yearly requalification, some counties that process a LOT of CCWs do every 2 years as a requirement.
One thing that is NOT publicized very well at all is that, at least in CA, all CCW holders have continuous background checks done on them after receipt of the license. If I get so much as a "fix-it" ticket for having a burned out light bulb on my car, my CCW issuing authority gets notified about it. California calls it a "rap back" system. You cannot be a CCW holder and be prohibited from owning firearms. The license would be revoked once someone meets any criteria that prohibits them from owning firearms.
But you don't need to shoot a deer or a quail with an AR-15. There would be nothing left of the animal to eat.
Comments like this show how misinformed the anti-gun people really are. An AR-15 shoots a 223 round (the military version is a 5.56). This is actually a very small round for a rifle. A .308, 7mm, 30-06, all of which are popular hunting rounds, are much larger, much more powerful.
There is this fantasy that the misinformed have about the ability of military and law enforcement, and them (us) being the only ones capable of possessing and responsibly using a firearm. I have witnessed people from both organizations who I questioned their competence in handling a firearm. There is no difference as long as the person puts in the practice. Believe me, those of us that carry put in PLENTY of practice. I agree with the comments that a headshot would be difficult in an active shooter situation, but that's not an absolute necessity to stop or slow down the bad guy. Body armor doesn't make you feel all that protected when you have large chunks of led whizzing by you at 1000 fpm. Body armor or not, I guarantee that if the bad guy encounters someone that starts shooting back they will take cover. This will, at the very least, slow them down. It could save lives. If the good guy has a gun then at least he has a chance to defend himself. If he has no gun he has no chance. To just lay down and play dead, as someone in this thread suggested... no thanks.
I especially got a chuckle from the one comment in here from someone saying if they were in a shooting situation like the one in California, and knew someone beside them had a CCW, that they would get as far away as they could. Trust me, if someone starts shooting, you would want me by your side.
Trotting out the old cliches to counteract you use of guns - everyone on this planet knows that America has poor gun control and that senseless killings occur frequently - yet you argue and vent and will not listen - its all about money I expect, the gun lobby is more powerful than the President of the USA.
Killings in America are the result of our violent society, and a segment of our population who have no value for human life. Passing more gun laws will do absolutely nothing to keep guns out of these people's hands. All about money? I would like to think its all about our constitution.
Texas it every 4 years ,then 4 years then 10 years. Now you don't have to requalify you just can renew online.
OK, so an acls recert (proving you can tru to save a life) is needed every 2 years but a cc recert (which implies the ability to try to take a life) is required every 4 years and not even at the range? I understand this is only texas, but still seems strange.
OK, so an acls recert (proving you can tru to save a life) is needed every 2 years but a cc recert (which implies the ability to try to take a life) is required every 4 years and not even at the range? I understand this is only texas, but still seems strange.
Gun is for protection. Range shooting was easy to pass you shot like 50 shots, 20 of them at 3 yards, 20 at 7 yards, and 10 at 15 yards. Basically after you cleared background check the class was secondary. Laws don't change that much for CHL from year to year here. Biggest changes in 2016 is CCL can now open carry ,and you can also carry on college and community college campus.
Amen I dont care for this post all the concealed carry people dont ever change any violent outcome also do we need guns carried in the hospital by staff that could be taken away from them. ? Dont think so .
... I especially got a chuckle from the one comment in here from someone saying if they were in a shooting situation like the one in California, and knew someone beside them had a CCW, that they would get as far away as they could. Trust me, if somebody starts shooting, you would want me at your side.
If your first shot didn't disable the bad boy, wouldn't he shoot back? Putting me right next to his target?
It's a generous offer, but I think I'll pass.
I agree that over-generalizing about the relative skill sets between civilian and professional shooters is silly, which is why I haven't. As I pointed out to a previous poster, I live in Albuquerque - I know better.
But there is a corresponding fantasy on the part of many gun owners that their performance in the controlled setting of a range or a training course proves that they are able to cope with a very uncontrolled and chaotic active shooter incident.
It ain't necessarily so...and all the technical jargon and bumper-sticker slogans won't make it so.
I'm working on getting my CHL...for now I keep a gun in my glove compartment. In TX your car is considered an extension of your home so you're allowed to carry, provided that it is concealed in the vehicle. It is against the law to carry a firearm within hospital/school buildings.
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OK, so an acls recert (proving you can tru to save a life) is needed every 2 years but a cc recert (which implies the ability to try to take a life) is required every 4 years and not even at the range? I understand this is only texas, but still seems strange.
Just what we need more idiots carrying guns. More guns does not equal safer environment, more guns equals a less safe environment. Imagine all the idiots at work you wouldn't trust with your dog now carrying. Look at some third world countries where there's more guns than food, are they safer?
Excuse me but not all with a conceal carry permit are idiots. Raised in Alaska hunting for my entire life. I can say I have pretty damn good aim, I've hit a moving predator with a kill shot from a moving atv, and I also have a lot of respect for a gun. I don't play with them and I comprehend the severity of what it causes. I also live quite close to San Bernardino and my friend's family are at that very center 3-4x a week. They lost a family member in that shooting. Clearly you don't understand the mastery needed to get a CC permit. These aren't all confederate flag flying hillbillies swigging from a bottle of bourbon on their front lawn.
I have a conceal permit but I wouldn't ever take my gun to work or leave it in my car since people frequently break in to our cars but doing home Heath visits I have brought it with me since frequently I am in sketchy areas and have had the wonderful occurrence of someone trying to assault me at my car. Him and his watching friends were slightly surprised to find a little 20 something nurse out armed them and had no qualms to defend her own. He very quickly let go of my clothes and backed away before running for his life. I'm proud to say I defended myself and did not get raped or robbed of not worse that day. I've also had someone try to strong arm and take my motorcycle & trailer when I was trying to get gas. Nope ain't happening.
Just because we have guns and we know how to use them doesn't make us idiots. Actually seems it makes us more realistic and more intelligent.
It it would take a stupid person to walk into a situation without some sort of protection.
I want to gauge opinions based on our CURRENT situation after the shooting yesterday in San Bernadino, CA. 
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The requirement (at least for CA) is for USUALLY yearly requalification, some counties that process a LOT of CCWs do every 2 years as a requirement.
One thing that is NOT publicized very well at all is that, at least in CA, all CCW holders have continuous background checks done on them after receipt of the license. If I get so much as a "fix-it" ticket for having a burned out light bulb on my car, my CCW issuing authority gets notified about it. California calls it a "rap back" system. You cannot be a CCW holder and be prohibited from owning firearms. The license would be revoked once someone meets any criteria that prohibits them from owning firearms.