I've been a lurker for awhile, and I know that this post has been brought up 1-2 times in the last 2 years that I've been an RN. So... you grouchy old farts that would rather I'd revive an old post can just stuff a sock in it. I want to gauge opinions based on our CURRENT situation after the shooting yesterday in San Bernadino, CA.
Truth be told, One single caregiver with a concealed carry permit could have shut this couple down before they hit 14 fatalities.
I plan on getting my CC in January, but I know as an RN, should my handgun be discovered, I'll probably lose my license. It will stay in my car when I am at work. If someone wants to carry out mayhem at my workplace, we are ALL sitting ducks. It is not ok or fair. What are your thoughts?
If private transfers not requiring background checks happened only at gun shows that would be a relevant figure, but the vast majority of private transfers occur outside of gun shows.
Non-FFL sellers can only sell a max of 5 guns per year. Only a fool would sell a gun without a bill of sale that proves the gun was transfered to another in case it is used in a crime in the future.
No such federal law exists, there is no "5 gun" rule. Private sellers need to obtain an FFL only when it becomes a primary source of income, which is complicated by the fact that private sellers do not have to submit the information that would make them required to obtain an FFL.
The lack of traceability in private sales does more to protect the seller from liability than it does to make them liable, although even if the gun is used in a crime that was purchased from a private seller, there is no established legal or civil precedent that makes the seller liable for not conducting a background check when no background check is required.
I agree that a responsible seller would transfer the gun through an FFL who would then conduct a background check, which is why it shouldn't be any additional burden on responsible sellers to make a background check a requirement for private transfers.
I wonder if you have 'any respect for animals' like you have for guns and as for a nurse carrying a gun is absolutely bizarre.
I totally respect animals but not nearly as much as i do a firearm
And just to put something into perspective my .50 cal 1860s hawken replica flintlock is a ton more powerful than most people think. Last cute little deer that met it got taken right off its feet and that was it
I respect animals enough to kill them as quickly and cleanly as possible
My fellow Sailor above is dead on correct. Furhermore the 2nd amendment brings up the point that we should be able to form a well regulated militia to stand up and fight a tyranical government.
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If private transfers not requiring background checks happened only at gun shows that would be a relevant figure, but the vast majority of private transfers occur outside of gun shows.
I agree, MunoRN, there are private sales, and sales over the Internet, often without any background checks. Plus the fact that some folks, in this nation, seem to have a fetish for all types of guns. If it is a "violent society," that fact makes the love of weaponry even more scary.
Oh dear ... plunder and shoot seems to be your motto for a pleasurable life.
Are we in nursery school? What's next - calling them dooky-heads?
The problem with the whole gun debate is this neener-neener approach to the discussion. Both sides of the discussion have valid concerns and it's high time we respect that.
And, for the record, I do not assume that all gun owners are idiots. But some are ... and I have read no suggestion for effectively screening out the George Zimmermans of this world. Until there is, armed caregivers are an oxymoron in any healthcare setting except maybe in home health (and I still have personal reservations about that).
Are we in nursery school? What's next - calling them dooky-heads?
The problem with the whole gun debate is this neener-neener approach to the discussion. Both sides of the discussion have valid concerns and it's high time we respect that.
And, for the record, I do not assume that all gun owners are idiots. But some are ... and I have read no suggestion for effectively screening out the George Zimmermans of this world. Until there is, armed caregivers are an oxymoron in any healthcare setting except maybe in home health (and I still have personal reservations about that).
*THIS* is yet another fine example of how to debate an opposing viewpoint, folks.
Are we in nursery school? What's next - calling them dooky-heads?
The problem with the whole gun debate is this neener-neener approach to the discussion. Both sides of the discussion have valid concerns and it's high time we respect that.
And, for the record, I do not assume that all gun owners are idiots. But some are ... and I have read no suggestion for effectively screening out the George Zimmermans of this world. Until there is, armed caregivers are an oxymoron in any healthcare setting except maybe in home health (and I still have personal reservations about that).
Yeah, I've heard your liberal talking points before. I like how you conviently leave out the part in the 2nd Amendment that says "the right of the PEOPLE to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed." Im not sure how they could have spelled that out any simpler for you. Suggesting that they would have restricted the ownership of certain types of weapons is not consistent with the language used in the Constitution. Would you agree that a cannon that could launch a 42 lb steel ball up to 2 miles is considered "high powered weaponry?" Where does it say, "the right of the people to keep and bear muskets, but not a howitzer, shall not be infringed?" Oh, and the Constitution that was written way back then is the same document I, and your President, swore to defend. Not just the parts we like, but ALL of it.
We do have a violent culture in America, and banning guns from law abiding citizen will do nothing to change that. I thank God that I have the right to protect my family instead of having to "learn to be safe" until the police arrive to save me. The police are not there to save us, they are there to clean up the mess. Just ask the family of the 14 people slaughtered in California.
You're misquoting the second amendment:
"A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."
There are a couple ways of interpreting "well regulated", one is that it refers to a well organized and trained group of soldiers, another is that it refers to possession being sufficiently restricted through regulations (laws).
"A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."
There are a couple ways of interpreting "well regulated", one is that it refers to a well organized and trained group of soldiers, another is that it refers to possession being sufficiently restricted through regulations (laws).
A "well regulated Militia" by definition is an Army or force of ordinary citizens vice professional Soldiers
Yup - not guilty of murder. Which is my point, in a way. He's a self-appointed vigilante with questionable judgement, a known history of violence, no criminal convictions and the legal right to own guns. He could probably get a cc permit in Florida if he wanted to, if he doesn't have one already.
Regardless of his rights and choices as a private citizen, in my opinion allowing him to cc while working as a health caregiver would be totally unacceptable.
Personally, I can think of no effective way to screen people like him out of the caregiving workforce. Nor can I think of a way of ensuring that any given caregiver has the judgement, reflexes or skills to deal effectively with an active shooter emergency without increasing the risk of death or injury to everyone else at the same time.
Which is why I oppose giving blanket permission for cc by health caregivers.
I want to gauge opinions based on our CURRENT situation after the shooting yesterday in San Bernadino, CA. 
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If private transfers not requiring background checks happened only at gun shows that would be a relevant figure, but the vast majority of private transfers occur outside of gun shows.