I've been a lurker for awhile, and I know that this post has been brought up 1-2 times in the last 2 years that I've been an RN. So... you grouchy old farts that would rather I'd revive an old post can just stuff a sock in it. I want to gauge opinions based on our CURRENT situation after the shooting yesterday in San Bernadino, CA.
Truth be told, One single caregiver with a concealed carry permit could have shut this couple down before they hit 14 fatalities.
I plan on getting my CC in January, but I know as an RN, should my handgun be discovered, I'll probably lose my license. It will stay in my car when I am at work. If someone wants to carry out mayhem at my workplace, we are ALL sitting ducks. It is not ok or fair. What are your thoughts?
Wow! You are seriously misinformed. That technology is unreliable, at least it is so far. No way I am going to trust my life to technology that is so frought with problems.
Then there is the matter of the 300+ million guns already put there.
It is very significant that not a single police force in this country will risk their officers to this unreliable technology. If it's not good enough for them, why would anyone think it was good enough for *me*?
How right you are! We are in a war, whether people want to believe it or not. I am a gun owner and soon will have my CC. In my state, we can carry in the open, but need a permit for CC. Are you certain that your license could be lost? It is your right to carry, despite your profession. Would you rather be alive if faced with the events we've witnessed, or be afraid someone may find out you carry and will lose your nursing license?? Seems to be a no-brainer to me!!
Specializes in burn ICU, SICU, ER, Trauma Rapid Response.
introduced a buy back system to eradicate guns in the general population
What the gun buy back amounted to was theft of huge amounts of valuable property by the government. My father in law had a 1911A1 made by the Singer Sewing machine company during WWII. The rarest of 1911s. It was worth around $25,000. The government forced him to sell it for less than pennies on the dollar.
The real reason you have much less mass shooting in Australia is because, unlike America, you are a very secular society.
I, too, would like to see the VA a victim free zone. Although I don't see myself carrying or using a gun, it might be nice to have the option of carrying more than a strobing flashlight for protection!
🤖 bs! I use to had a gun and I avoid to be car hijacked and I will tell you that is not easy to shoot to a real human being instead of regular targets for practice! But believe me it gives you a sensation of safe like nothing else, and I'm planning to have a cc here in the states but I don't think I will bring it to work! Cause the danger of carrying is that gives you the chance to use it and in hospital setting I would rather not to use it
Cc are protection and I vote for this and I will rather to have a gun in a crazy situation where somebody else is shooting innocent people specially if my family is around
I think the notion that you could conceal carry in the health care setting and do a half decent job while paying attention to your weapon so some psycho doesn't grab it is crazy, yes some health care facilities care for the mentally ill, and actually have people in there that may be very distraught or emotional for a number or reasons..leave the cc to those hired to do so..dont misunderstand me I cc but never in the work environment, and to think that you can go out one day, get a cc and be a good or even decent shot overnite shows nothing but immaturity on your part..think things through before you make decisions that could end your life or someone elses..
You sound like a much more experienced shooter than I so you should get what I'm saying. As you no doubt know 'body armour' stops a bullet by dissipating its energy over a wider area stopping it from penetrating. All of the energy is still there just spread out. I've talked with people shot while wearing it and they say it feels like getting hit in the chest with a sledge hammer. You don't need to kill them to spoil their aim and ruin their day. You may even get that head shot while they grab that 6 inch hematoma you just created on their chest.
Oh hell, I can't help myself from getting in on this. I assume most here are nurses; think for a moment upon the rule of nines for body surface, now consider you only have less than half the head in sight at any given time. Explain your Annie Oakley shooting! Or Buffalo Bill if you will.
Now remember it took 23 SWAT team members over 380 rounds to stop the San Berdoo terrorists. Still think your 6-9 shots could have made a difference? Now stand at your nurse's station and consider clear lines of fire including possible ranges and accuracies looking beyond the position of the "bad guys", remember patients that cannot duck and cover.
Still feel like Annie Oakley, now consider modern soldiers expend more rounds of ammunition per fatality or injury than ever. Also has anyone else seen how terrifying the poor muzzle discipline the average police officer exhibits?
I am not arguing against the second amendment, I am arguing that the likelihood that a CCW license holder may be a greater endangerment to themselves and others than a properly trained run and hide staff member. It may be noble to think you can save everybody and be a hero but when someone is shooting at you, your sympathetic nervous system rules and your ass gets scared.
I am arguing that the likelihood that a CCW license holder may be a greater endangerment to themselves and others than a properly trained run and hide staff member. It may be noble to think you can save everybody and be a hero but when someone is shooting at you, your sympathetic nervous system rules and your ass gets scared.
Say you run and hide, but you have a CCW -- would you say your chances of survival are greater than if you just hid without a firearm if the bad guys start prowling around looking for more people to shoot?
Some of us have been on two way ranges. My MOS in the Army was 11B and I did two tours to Iraq as a Squad Designated Marksman and infantry squad leader; I am confident in my abilities and proficiency with firearms, and know for a fact that I would feel much more protected having a firearm in a situation like this.
Like you pointed out, the police had 23 guys and expended 380 rounds; however, they were HUNTING the bad guys (and I would argue that they didn't NEED 23 officers, but in an active shooter event you want as many guns as possible to put the threats down). Most advocates of personal defense weapons, as well as any training you will ever go to for a CCW license will tell you that the firearm is there not for you to go seek out the danger, rather protect yourself and people around you as a last resort.
Specializes in burn ICU, SICU, ER, Trauma Rapid Response.
There are bad people of every nationality, every culture, every religious group. To make a generalization that only Americans want to kill other Americans, is simply wacky.
Hmm, not sure if you actually read my post. Nowhere did I say or imply that only Americans want to kill Americans. Thanks to our actions and policies around the world lots of people want to kill Americans.
Further, if this were the case, why would so many immigrants want the 'American dream', as many still do (demonstrated by current situation).
The reality is that pretty much nobody wants to come to America except for the most desperate poor.
I believe a huge part of the terrorist issues (primarily ISIS) is they feel America is too liberal, allowing numerous freedoms and that Americans have it made and feel entitled
Wow, ever meet any silly, false propaganda you didn't believe? What you are saying makes no sence at all. Of that were true why wouldn't ISIS target the countries that allow even more personal liberty and are way more liberal? New Zealand or Norway for example. They don't target those countries because they haven't done what we have done.
Besides America is way down on ISIS's hate list behind Iran.
I'm not saying America is perfect (very far from, to me) and certainly has it's own issues. but if more people agreed that Americans killing Americans will never stop, why would they want to flea here?
That only the most desperate and poverty strike type of people wish to flee here hardly speaks well of the USA.
Why not elsewhere, that is more 'culturally advanced' than the US?
Not sure what you are talking about since America isn't usually the first choice for refugees.
And, re-reading your post again, hasn't there been like a 30-40% drop in Americans stating they are religious, within the last 5 years?
I don't know what the numbers are, but yes, fewer people are religious than before. Still a long way to go.
there certainly ARE religious extremists, but nothing in the US which remotely compares to other countries (again, exhibited by groups such as ISIS).
Yes, of course I specifically compared the USA to other FIRST world countries. Among whome America is by far the most religiously devout.
I want to gauge opinions based on our CURRENT situation after the shooting yesterday in San Bernadino, CA. 
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It is very significant that not a single police force in this country will risk their officers to this unreliable technology. If it's not good enough for them, why would anyone think it was good enough for *me*?