I've been a lurker for awhile, and I know that this post has been brought up 1-2 times in the last 2 years that I've been an RN. So... you grouchy old farts that would rather I'd revive an old post can just stuff a sock in it. I want to gauge opinions based on our CURRENT situation after the shooting yesterday in San Bernadino, CA.
Truth be told, One single caregiver with a concealed carry permit could have shut this couple down before they hit 14 fatalities.
I plan on getting my CC in January, but I know as an RN, should my handgun be discovered, I'll probably lose my license. It will stay in my car when I am at work. If someone wants to carry out mayhem at my workplace, we are ALL sitting ducks. It is not ok or fair. What are your thoughts?
Absolutely true. So the next question is, does the act of assault or murder already have a punishment associated with it? Of course, the answer is yes... so why are we discussing further laws? We have done what we can do with laws. Now give people the tools with which to defend themselves, if they are of such a mind. I'm not saying arm everyone; just the ones who want to defend themselves. The others can call 911 and pray that a man with a gun arrives before it's too late.
Interesting idea. Possession of drugs shouldn't be a punishable offense. Plotting a murder should be acceptable because laws are in place to punish murder. Possession of child Mediaography should be considered fine, because laws already acknowledge making and distributing.
Specializes in Med/Surg, OR, Peds, Patient Education.
I wonder if maybe some of these "bad guys" obtain their guns from people that so desperately need to be a hero during their morning commute, that they risk leaving the firearms unattended in their vehicle all day/night? Wait, "bad guys" don't break into or steal cars now do they?
I am sure most of the guns used to commit crimes were once legal guns stolen from careless gun owners. INCLUDING most of the guns that are smuggled north to Canada an used to commit crimes here.
Your right to bear arms in America is affecting us in Canada. And that is not fair or right.
There is the ability to make all guns "smart guns," which means that the weapon cannot be fired unless the owner pulls the trigger. It is keyed into the owner's fingerprint. However, in the US, the NRA "owns" our congress that this bill would never get to the floor of the House of Representatives!
You assume that all the nurses would be carrying a gun? If it were allowed in hospitals it would only take one SMART American nurse to stop an active shooter. Oh and this isnt a third world country yet. So let's keep it that way by protecting our right to defense. If you dont like guns go to australia, england or France. Terrosists will always find a way to kill people if they want too.
Don't get me wrong I would love to make the VA a victim free zone by allowing staff to conceal carry
I work in a VA behavioral health unit where people make threats against the staff all the time; the VA police I work with are very pro-self defense and constantly hint to me to carry on the job (most of us including myself are combat veterans, we shoot in our off time together) despite the rules but I'm not too keen on committing crimes on a federal facility like that.
I really wish I could legally carry there like I do almost everywhere else I go, which is sort of the point a lot of people make against more gun control; the person coming to my job is breaking tons of laws by coming on station with a gun and shooting people, but people who respect the law are left defenseless.
I haven't read all of the comments on this thread but my thoughts are why not arm the security guards. If we are concerned about them, maybe the employer should hire a higher level security guard that is armed. I am also not opposed to others in various positions being armed. Just because you are armed doesn't mean that you need to use your weapon (i.e. if safety of others is an issue and you are not a marksman). This is absolutely something that hits home because I am just about to start a program that is within a mile of where all this took place. I am expecting during my orientation for a plan of action to be provided and if it isn't, I am going to demand that they come up with one.
What is absolutely scary about this situation in particular was that this guy was leading a normal American life. In other words, there were no warning signs to his coworkers. His neighbors on the other hand knew something wasn't right but for fear of being labeled a racist, didn't report it. In other words, this type of situation could happen anywhere, at anytime, with people who you think you know but clearly don't.
At any rate, I think we need to have a very serious discussion in this country and at the employer level too on how we are going to deal with this issue. To my knowledge, and I could be wrong on this, but I don't believe that our hospitals are very well protected. That is scary for someone like me who would like to get started in the ER.
Specializes in burn ICU, SICU, ER, Trauma Rapid Response.
There is the ability to make all guns "smart guns," which means that the weapon cannot be fired unless the owner pulls the trigger. It is keyed into the owner's fingerprint. However, in the US, the NRA "owns" our congress that this bill would never get to the floor of the House of Representatives!
Wow! You are seriously misinformed. That technology is unreliable, at least it is so far. No way I am going to trust my life to technology that is so frought with problems.
Then there is the matter of the 300+ million guns already put there.
If I were allowed to carry concealed (I work in a federal facility so it's never going to happen!) in an active shooter situation I would either try and flee the building or depending on if the shooter is close huddle in my office barricaded and if he came through the door I would shoot and try my best to make it out alive.
I wouldn't be stalking the halls looking for the shooter. I think most CCW users are like me and would not go running for gun fire.
Reports said the couple were carrying AR-15's and handguns and wearing body armor. A handgun round wouldn't have been too powerful against body armor. A rifle yes, but no a pistol.
Don't get me wrong I would love to make the VA a victim free zone by allowing staff to conceal carry
. But you don't need to shoot a deer or a quail with an AR-15. There would be nothing left of the animal to eat.
Quail yes; deer, not. Many hunting experts say that the .223 ammo used in an AR-15 doesn't have the power to kill a large animal on contact. so they are not recommended for hunting.
I felt I had to answer this post rather than just complacently passing it by.
No guns! Why does America need guns anyway? In Australia they are banned unless a special permit is acquired for use for work e.g. Ranger, police or on a farm for vermin. Otherwise only used in rifle clubs for sport and must be registered. After the Tasmanian shooting many years ago our government introduced a buy back system to eradicate guns in the general population. Less risk of the violence seen in the USA in recent years which leads to tragic loss if innocent life. There are still cases which occur in my country where guns fall into the wrong hands. I am saddened that people are now feeling they need to protect themselves by carrying a violent weapon themselves.
Specializes in Med/Surg crit care, coronary care, PACU,.
I would love to have this conversation at work. Armed security would be a great place to start. Bringing up the subject of guns at work in the past has not brought out an even, thoughtful discussion between staff. The fear instilled about guns runs very strong in the metropolitan hospital in which I work, and much of that is there is no history of dealing with firearms, so that a lot of media hype is believed. I'd wager that different departments would have wild differences in CC. I know many ED nurses who would be happy to bring their firearms for protection, ICU, OB, not so much.
I want to gauge opinions based on our CURRENT situation after the shooting yesterday in San Bernadino, CA. 
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Interesting idea. Possession of drugs shouldn't be a punishable offense. Plotting a murder should be acceptable because laws are in place to punish murder. Possession of child Mediaography should be considered fine, because laws already acknowledge making and distributing.