Community College? You must be stupid.

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So, tonight I was talking about the classes I'll be taking this fall at my local community college (one of which is chemistry which I'm a little nervous about since I've never had a chemistry class before) with my wonderful bachelor's degree holding partner who, in an attempt to ease my anxiety makes the comment "Well, it's just at a community college so the class should be pretty easy." :madface: Wrong thing to say honey...

It did however get me to thinking about the general attitudes that people have towards not only community colleges but also to vocational/trade schools. That those of us who go to such institutions are intellectually inadequate and wouldn't be able to handle the academic rigors of a 4 year college or university. This attitude is completely inaccurate, after all if my classes were so EASY then the 4 year colleges and universities in my area wouldn't have an articulation agreement which honors the credits I take at the community college. It is a different atmosphere in a community college of course, but that doesn't mean I don't have to learn the material and learn it well in order to pass.

I remember in high school when I decided to enter the Practical Nursing program at the vocational school how I received criticism, statements such as "Well, you need to go to a 4 year college, anything less is for people who are stupid." and even now when I tell people I'm an LPN and that I've been at a community college taking classes I'm greeted with a concerned expression, a half smile, and a polite nod. A voice bubble might as well pop up above their head saying, "Well, since you're a failure at life and this is all you have, I'll be happy for you." after all since I'm going to a community college it means I can't handle REAL academics.

It may sound as though I'm jealous of those who get to receive a university education and have a bachelor's degree or above and are the same age as myself. And, yes, at times I am jealous because I would have loved to have had the same experience. But that simply just wasn't my path, one day I will "pull my time" in a four year college, my path will take me there, just not yet.

I believe no matter your credentials, whether you're doctorate degree holding FNP or a certificate holding CNA that you should be incredibly proud. Whether you're bachelor's prepared RN or a diploma holding LPN you should be proud. Because all levels of education should be revered and respected and valued. I don't feel ashamed of not already being a Registered Nurse or a college graduate nor do I have any regret at first becoming a CNA and then becoming an LPN because I still am helping people and I am still living my dream and that dream was to be independent. If you're a BSN or an ADN be PROUD of it no matter what your credentials are because you earned them.

College graduates face really discouraging odds. Many are unemployed, many more are employed in something other than their field of study, and many still are up to their eyeballs in debt. My partner for instance has a bachelor's degree yet works in job making a little over minimum wage. That is why I chose the path I did. When I was 17 and I enrolled in the LPN program, I knew due to my personal and financial circumstances that I couldn't afford to go to college just yet, I needed to be self sufficient and going to a trade school and later to a community college would allow me to do that. It wasn't the right choice for everyone but it was for me, and because of that I can pay for my school one semester at a time while minimizing and most semesters avoiding student loans, not to mention a few years head start on 401k versus my peers and that feels really good.

A dear friend of mine always wanted to be a mechanic, her family, peers, etc were not supportive "only stupid people do something like that" so instead she got 2 bachelor's degrees, is jobless, and owes thousands of dollars in student loans. All this because her dream was too "stupid" in the eyes of her parents and everyone else. Side not, I know many mechanics who make more money than I do and they're all pretty happy. I think the attitude that you go to college to "make a better life for yourself" isn't always accurate. We shouldn't be telling our children that they have to go to college in order to be considered intelligent or successful. We should be telling them that in this world success isn't defined by your credentials or where you went to school or how much money you make, it's defined by getting out of life what you make of it and what you want from it. Do what you love people, whether you're a CNA or a Medical Doctor, do what you love and love what you do and be proud but above all else never assume that someone is stupid simply because their education is different from yours.

Whew... feels good to get that out.

Oh and my partner quickly apologized for what he said. Probably had something to do with the fact I spouted off this little speech in the course of sixty seconds after his comment. :smokin:

I chose a BSN because at the end of the day, that's where nursing is headed. I'm not saying that ADN nurses aren't fantastic and intelligent--some are. However, with the professionalism requirement changing and more and more hospitals requiring a BSN to be hired, it makes no sense to me to get an ADN (at least, in the city that I live in). Also, not having a BA or BSN makes it harder to advance in your field... So if you have ambitions of moving up the totem pole, you need to get a bachelor's anyway. Just my two cents.

Also, I think that some of the posters on here are a little judgmental. If you don't want university grads to judge your decision to go to a CC, don't judge their decision to get a higher degree. Seriously, it's a little ridiculous...

Is it not hypocritical for you to say "I'm not saying that ADN nurses aren't fantastic and intelligent--some are", and then to judge other people as being judgemental. The "some are" statement implies that the majority of them are not fantastic and intelligent which is not the case.

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Is it not hypocritical for you to say "I'm not saying that ADN nurses aren't fantastic and intelligent--some are", and then to judge other people as being judgemental. The "some are" statement implies that the majority of them are not fantastic and intelligent which is not the case.

I'm sorry if it came off that way. I simply meant it in that sense that not every ADN nurse is great, just like not every BSN nurse is great. I believe Associate and Bachelor level nurses are equal in terms of nursing skills at graduation, and that it's who we are as individual nurses that set us apart. I apologize if my wording offended you, perhaps the term "most" would be more appropriate. :)

I see, I was was just trying to see where you was going.

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Your program is not the only one set up that way, as I'm sure your aware. However, it seems the majority of BSN programs require 2 years of pre-reqs and then 2 years of nursing classes. I don't think it's fair to say that one nurse is better or worse than another based on their education level. Also how long in the CC program you also got into. I don't understand how a community college would take just as long as a BSN program, seeing as BSN program are typically 1.5 to 2 years longer than an ADN program. Unless you had a special circumstance, but that is hardly ever the norm. Unless there is a University that is offering an initial licensure, traditional (no previous BS/BA degree etc...) BSN in 2 years, which there could be.

I know that some schools have programs where you can finish certain degree majors in 3 years instead of 4 if you take the required course load, but I have never seen a nursing major in a BS in 3 program, not saying that there aren't any.

I am an ADN student and certainly realize that there are differences in nurses, but the differences are not because of their preparation level, but because of them individually. There are BSN prepared Nurses that are great and some that suck. There ADN/ Diploma nurses that are awesome and there are some that suck as well.

There are some people who have Degree in nursing both BSN degrees and ADN degrees and they never passed the NCLEX, so they are not nurses, despite having degrees and diplomas in nursing, they basically have a useless degree, unless they decide to use their classes to pursue another major or career.

Simply put the truth is...... You can get a BSN online by bridging, transferring credits, or using a previous degree, because there is no need for face to face training beyond what clinical and didactic training you needed to take the NCLEX. You can't get a Legit/ fully approved (by all states) ADN or Nursing Diploma (LPN or RN diploma) online, not counting Excelsior because they require that you've had some type of clinical experience and are not recognized by all states as a ligament nursing training program, although there idea was innovative. The reason you can't get a fully approved/ accredited ADN or Nursing Diploma is because you need the vital face to face clinical hours and face to face classroom learning so that you are adequately prepared to sit for the NCLEX-PN/RN and be licensed to practice as a autonomous healthcare provider. That's just the way I see it. Of course my way will never be agreeable with everyone else's opinions, but to be honest that's not my problem, "to each their own".

Did you read my post at all? Let me be even more clear. The state I live in, every single traditional BSN program is one year of pre-req's and 3 years of nursing classes except for the school I'm at which is 2.5 years of nursing courses. Once the pre-req's where completed for many of the nursing schools around me I applied to my favorite cc and my 1st choice university. I got into both but time started and by time finished I would finish the same time so I chose the University, if I wanna get my BSN why in the world would I wait and go through school just to go trough it all again. It's like getting my master's, something I've always thought I'ld like to do but now that I'm towards the end of my junior year I don't know if I'm going to want to go back to school again. If I was in an ASN program I wouldn't probably feel the same about going back for my BSN. Look, everyone choses their program based on their own personal needs and whats available. The fact that ASN nursing students feel the need to constantly post about why their so much better and equal just says to me you obviously don't feel that way, and I don't know why but it's really not my problem. If you have a problem with there being so many different education levels fo entering nursing then take it up with the appropriate people.

Did you read my post at all? Let me be even more clear. The state I live in, every single traditional BSN program is one year of pre-req's and 3 years of nursing classes except for the school I'm at which is 2.5 years of nursing courses. Once the pre-req's where completed for many of the nursing schools around me I applied to my favorite cc and my 1st choice university. I got into both but time started and by time finished I would finish the same time so I chose the University, if I wanna get my BSN why in the world would I wait and go through school just to go trough it all again. It's like getting my master's, something I've always thought I'ld like to do but now that I'm towards the end of my junior year I don't know if I'm going to want to go back to school again. If I was in an ASN program I wouldn't probably feel the same about going back for my BSN. Look, everyone choses their program based on their own personal needs and whats available. The fact that ASN nursing students feel the need to constantly post about why their so much better and equal just says to me you obviously don't feel that way, and I don't know why but it's really not my problem. If you have a problem with there being so many different education levels fo entering nursing then take it up with the appropriate people.

This is exactly the way I feel every time I read one of these threads. I don't get why ADNs feel the need to justify their education choices by telling BSNs that they are stupid for spending the extra money on a university education and it's just ridiculous. So what? YOU didn't have to pay for MY education so why do you care? And to say that ADNs are better prepared vs BSNs is pure bunk, and I don't even feel compelled to argue why anymore! All of the protesting from ADNs about why they are so much better and smarter than BSNs, whether education wise or financially speaking, just makes me wonder if the ones doing it are jealous because some of us could afford to get a BSN and they couldn't. I already know that every ADN will deny this, but you know what they say about those who protest too much...

This is exactly the way I feel every time I read one of these threads. I don't get why ADNs feel the need to justify their education choices by telling BSNs that they are stupid for spending the extra money on a university education and it's just ridiculous. So what? YOU didn't have to pay for MY education so why do you care? And to say that ADNs are better prepared vs BSNs is pure bunk, and I don't even feel compelled to argue why anymore! All of the protesting from ADNs about why they are so much better and smarter than BSNs, whether education wise or financially speaking, just makes me wonder if the ones doing it are jealous because some of us could afford to get a BSN and they couldn't. I already know that every ADN will deny this, but you know what they say about those who protest too much...

I'm an ASN student, and I don't feel the need to defend my education until I meet a BSN student who thinks they are better than me. My friend who went to a four year university to get her BSN, a program she won't graduate from until around 2017, told me recently, "I don't know why you want to get your ASN, we all know that the BSN nurses actually get assignment and the ASN nurses are just like LPNs that do what the BSNs tell them to do. You're just wasting your time because my patient care will be better and I will be able to do more than you." It was at that time that I had to tell her that the job description for ASN and BSN beside nurses is the same, that I would finish my ASN before her, go to work before her, and complete my BSN online before she graduated, and that unless she wanted to be a unit manager or work in a nursing office, her BSN wasn't going to do her a lot of good. I don't mind that people go get their BSN rather than getting an ASN and then doing an online program. If going straight through a BSN program works, then good for you. But don't try to tell me that you can give better care than me, or that you are better prepared than me. At the end of the day, we all do the same job, and I've known some great ASN nurses, some great BSN, nurses, and some terrible ASN and BSN nurses. The degree you hold has NOTHING to do with the quality of care you give. I don't think I'm any better than anyone else, and I don't make an issue out of degrees until someone gets uppity and tries to tell me that they are better because they went straight through a BSN program, or currently hold a BSN.

I'm an ASN student, and I don't feel the need to defend my education until I meet a BSN student who thinks they are better than me. My friend who went to a four year university to get her BSN, a program she won't graduate from until around 2017, told me recently....

It's a shame that your friend thinks that, but if your friend is going to a 4 year university/getting her BSN, why would it take her until 2017 to graduate?

I'm in an ADN program at a community college and proud of it! :D I went the private college route for my previous bachelor's degree. In this economy you are SMART to go to community college!!!:nurse:

It's a shame that your friend thinks that, but if your friend is going to a 4 year university/getting her BSN, why would it take her until 2017 to graduate?

She can't get into the program until 2013, and it doesn't begin until the first of 2014. It's going to take her three years to get her prerequisites out of the way because the college she is going to requires so many humanities, English courses, and arts.

I'm an ASN student, and I don't feel the need to defend my education until I meet a BSN student who thinks they are better than me. My friend who went to a four year university to get her BSN, a program she won't graduate from until around 2017, told me recently, "I don't know why you want to get your ASN, we all know that the BSN nurses actually get assignment and the ASN nurses are just like LPNs that do what the BSNs tell them to do. You're just wasting your time because my patient care will be better and I will be able to do more than you." It was at that time that I had to tell her that the job description for ASN and BSN beside nurses is the same, that I would finish my ASN before her, go to work before her, and complete my BSN online before she graduated, and that unless she wanted to be a unit manager or work in a nursing office, her BSN wasn't going to do her a lot of good. I don't mind that people go get their BSN rather than getting an ASN and then doing an online program. If going straight through a BSN program works, then good for you. But don't try to tell me that you can give better care than me, or that you are better prepared than me. At the end of the day, we all do the same job, and I've known some great ASN nurses, some great BSN, nurses, and some terrible ASN and BSN nurses. The degree you hold has NOTHING to do with the quality of care you give. I don't think I'm any better than anyone else, and I don't make an issue out of degrees until someone gets uppity and tries to tell me that they are better because they went straight through a BSN program, or currently hold a BSN.

The fact of the matter is that you didn't HAVE to tell her anything. What you did by telling her that was one-upmanship. Why care what she thinks? It doesn't affect you at all unless you let it. If you are comfortable with your decision that should be good enough because you are the one who has to live with it. If she really is your friend she will be happy for you; if she isn't, then she really isn't a very good friend, is she?

I'm in an ADN program at a community college and proud of it! :D I went the private college route for my previous bachelor's degree. In this economy you are SMART to go to community college!!!:nurse:

Saying it is smart to go to community college implies that it's not smart to go to a university. Smart is choosing the path that gets you to where you want to be, and if that's a university and you can afford it, then that's smart.

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Geez! what a can of worms this has opened! I think that anyone going for Nursing should choose whether to go for an ADN at a CC or a BSN at a University BASED ON THE CREDENTIALS OF THE COLLEGE, THE PERCENTAGE OF THOSE PASSING THE NCLEX OF EITHER COLLEGE, AND THE OPINIONS OF LOCAL HR REPS WHO WILL BE HIRING YOU! For example, in SC (where I live), there are two colleges to choose from close to me, one with a BSN and one with an ADN. Both are good colleges with excellent curriculum options and pass rates. However, the BSN program, while good in it's own right, focuses more on the management and delegation aspect of Nursing whereas the ADN program at the CC is more focused on the clinical, hands on aspect. The CC with the ADN has a higher pass rate on the NCLEX, and every HR rep I've spoken with at the 4 major hospitals in my area agree that if given a choice between the newly graduated RN from the local ADN program and the newly graduated RN from the local BSN program, they will pick the one from the ADN program because they are aware of the CC's higher focus on clinical experience. Please keep in mind this is what they told me based on the assumption that their options are two people who are freshly graduated, have no working experience in a hospital other than school, and no other medically educated background, so don't come back and say "well what if the BSN RN has a phlebotomy certification, would they still pick the ADN RN?".

The ADN program at the CC here is just higher rated and has a better NCLEX pass rate than the BSN at the university. Most people where I live get their ADN from the CC and go back for their BSN at the university, or they do most of their clinicals and then transfer. And yes, even though most places prefer to hire someone with a BSN, around here EVERYONE knows the local ADN program's reputation and I have never met someone locally whose ADN held them back from getting the job they wanted. Everyone has different preferences, financial needs, and home situations that may affect their decision, but in the end it should be the college's pass rates and statistics that should be a key factor in their decision (in my opinion anyway). And who knows? Maybe whoever reading this lives in a place where the BSN program is better, or maybe the ADN program is better. CC is not a lower status place for dumb people. That's very derogatory to assume and you should stand up and say so if it offends you. I am proud to go to a CC. I'm proud to be in college period. If you would have met me ten years ago, you would never think I'd be going to college. And I do plan to go back to get my BSN after a few years in the field. That way I will be well prepared from my education (at my HIGHLY rated CC) and my experience in practice. Not to mention I will only have to go a few semesters more vs 4 years. If I didn't go ahead and get my Pre-Nursing certification (another thing I HIGHLY recommend) I would only have to do 5 semesters at the CC and 4 (maybe its 5? got to double check that) more at the University. That's less time than going straight through the 4 year program. But once again, that is up to you. Don't let others look down on you for your decision if you go to a CC, they don't know your situation and you might be in the position where your local CC's ADN program is better academically. And don't let them tell you that you are unwise to choose the BSN over the ADN either. It may be the better choice for you. BUT I do agree that even if you do go for your ADN that it would be a smart move to eventually get your BSN. Everyone is going to have to get one eventually from what I hear and the more education you can get, the better. That's why you chose to go to college in the first place, right?

P.S. Rumor has it the the University in my area is going to stop accepting fresh students and will only accept transferring students from a CC or returning ADN students because their program's success rate isn't making the grade (no pun intended). So take that people who look down on ADN Nurses who graduated from community college! lol jk :rotfl:

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