Chamberlain University FNP Student

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Hi, any nurses here go to Chamberlain for FNP? If so, what was your experience? Did you feel prepared for the clinicals and when you graduated?

5 hours ago, Guest1030824 said:

OK, hybrid or not, what I mean is Chamberlain offers the flexibility to complete classes online and the clinical portion is hands-on. If the boards don't mean anything, then are you saying that all NPs who pass the boards are really not adequate because it is easier than the NCLEX? Can you clarify this? Yes, maybe the MDs do not completely understand the NP curriculum etc., but they were speaking from what they actually experienced. I'm sure other MDs may have had negative experiences. Not all bad or good experiences come strictly from Chamberlain grads.  I have done my research before choosing Chamberlain. It does have CCNE accreditation, options for live chats, two campuses near me that I can use for resources, preceptorship placement support, and a lot more. As far as finding preceptors, I'm glad I have the option of finding the preceptor I want to learn from. This option gives me the opportunity to find a competent NP. Brick-and-mortar schools and online schools have their advantages and disadvantages. Research shows that both options are adequate. The online NP Program fits my needs right now, and I am glad they have clinicals where I can get hands-on experience. Again, passing the boards and providing competent care is what matters. I appreciate your feedback and I have made my choice after researching the various options available. We can agree to disagree. :). 

I feel like this is a cope, its okay to accept objective faults with the investment you have put time into.

1. Flexibility. Why does a patient care about this? How does flexibility help produce an adequate product? Remember you are becoming a provider to serve patients. Would you want a MD who only did night school part-time for 10 years on Aruba because he had another day job and wanted more time to golf? NO other serious healthcare profession advertises flexibility/100% online classes as a pro. Not PT, PA, MD, DDS etc. Ask yourself why.

2. Wow, clincials are hands on? I would sure hope so....wouldn't be surprised if NP schools make it all tele or sim soon though.

3. Boards are a minimal "competency" test which IMO are poorly done. I took the ACNP exam and I didn't study. At least 25% of my questions were policy or lobbying-type questions. I had maybe 1-2 pharm questions, the rest were obvious answers that an average nurse could probably guess right. Go take some MD (internal med) board exam practice tests and get back to me. They take 3 STEP exams and one board exam just for IM. Weeks and weeks of studying.

4. Schools like Chamberlain don't verify or vet preceptors other than knowing they have a license. They could be awful, incompetent or a friend just trying to get you to pass. That is awful QC. Do not try to justify finding your own as some sort of pro. Do you find all of your professors on your own too? Do you choose your own boss/supervisor?

5. CCNE is a rubber stamp factory. Means nothing.

6. What research?

7. Of course it fits your needs, that's why people go into NP school and not CRNA, MD etc. Those require actual time, effort and sacrifice. I did NP school 3/4 time/full time at a brick-and-mortar school and at no point was I ever stressed. I worked full time as well. I started at an online program (state school), and it was even easier.

8. I didn't realize how little I knew until I did a post-grad fellowship and truly realized how much I did not know when working with residents. Now if you go into some handholding or chart monkey job this maybe won't matter. But if you are ever independent, reality will hit you fast.

I hope you do well.

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Specializes in MSN, FNP-BC.

The number of NPs Chamberlain - Illinois graduates on a yearly basis is worrisome.

2021 NP Graduates:

Chamberlain = 3,923

My school = 168

All other things aside, that alone should make someone pause and seriously reconsider even thinking about attending Chamberlain University for their NP degree.

https://www.collegefactual.com/colleges/chamberlain-college-of-nursing-illinois/academic-life/academic-majors/health-care-professions/nursing/

https://www.collegefactual.com/colleges/george-washington-university/academic-life/academic-majors/health-care-professions/nursing/

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5 minutes ago, Freckledkorican said:

The number of NPs Chamberlain - Illinois graduates on a yearly basis is worrisome.

2021 NP Graduates:

Chamberlain = 3,923

My school = 168

All other things aside, that alone should make someone pause and seriously reconsider even thinking about attending Chamberlain University for their NP degree.

https://www.collegefactual.com/colleges/chamberlain-college-of-nursing-illinois/academic-life/academic-majors/health-care-professions/nursing/

https://www.collegefactual.com/colleges/george-washington-university/academic-life/academic-majors/health-care-professions/nursing/

This is what low-quality diploma mills do. they could pump out 10,000 grads a year with little effort since they don't even have to do anything other than collect checks and post powerpoints on blackboard.

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Specializes in oncology.

First I do want to declare I am not an NP but I do know the in's and out's of Nursing Education. 

 

On 9/26/2022 at 10:15 AM, Guest1030824 said:

If an online NP is not competent in their assessment skills I think they would probably not do so well in the workplace setting. In my opinion, workplace success is what differentiates the good/bad NPs regardless of the school they intended.

Shouldn't competency on assessment skills be determined before the NP is in the workplace?  Kinda like, let them practice in the workplace until they make a mistake? Then declare they are not competent?

7 hours ago, Guest1030824 said:

 Brick-and-mortar schools and online schools have their advantages and disadvantages. Research shows that both options are adequate. 

1)  What is this research? Please cite if you are using it to defend your argument. You can not depend on anecdotal evidence for claims like this.

2) Was it done with both online NP programs versus Brick and Mortar NP programs? Or any old discipline program/subject area that is not practice-based? Having done quite a lot of literature reading in this area of on-line instruction versus hybrid vs in person delivery of content, there are several studies that may very well be competently delivered with only on-line student learning modes. However, those are for subjects that are NOT practice based. 

3) Physically meeting in the same room, discussing the nature and practice of nursing practice as an NP, brings up so many more dimensions to the learning to the student. Think about are we are impacted by verbal and non verbal communication while performing our nursing duties. For example, we can evaluate learning in our patients after teaching.  In Graduate Education discussion boards do not deliver the same environment . There may not be the attentiveness of each and every student. Some students cannot express themselves. The faculty cannot scan those present to determine if there are some visual signs of interest, agreement, disagreement and learning. 

4) For example, with this discussion we are operating via a discussion board format. When you ask a specific question, you may or may not get an answer from the PP. There are statements made with out substantiation. And at the time of my posting there have been 891 views of this thread. How many viewers have given their opinion? 

3) My personal opinion is I want my education to be delivered at a higher level than "adequate". And again, I want my health care providers education to be geared at a higher level than "adequacy".

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36 minutes ago, londonflo said:

First I do want to declare I am not an NP but I do know the in's and out's of Nursing Education. 

 

Shouldn't competency on assessment skills be determined before the NP is in the workplace?  Kinda like, let them practice in the workplace until they make a mistake? Then declare they are not competent?

1)  What is this research? Please cite if you are using it to defend your argument. You can not depend on anecdotal evidence for claims like this.

2) Was it done with both online NP programs versus Brick and Mortar NP programs? Or any old discipline program/subject area that is not practice-based? Having done quite a lot of literature reading in this area of on-line instruction versus hybrid vs in person delivery of content, there are several studies that may very well be competently delivered with only on-line student learning modes. However, those are for subjects that are NOT practice based. 

3) Physically meeting in the same room, discussing the nature and practice of nursing practice as an NP, brings up so many more dimensions to the learning to the student. Think about are we are impacted by verbal and non verbal communication while performing our nursing duties. For example, we can evaluate learning in our patients after teaching.  In Graduate Education discussion boards do not deliver the same environment . There may not be the attentiveness of each and every student. Some students cannot express themselves. The faculty cannot scan those present to determine if there are some visual signs of interest, agreement, disagreement and learning. 

4) For example, with this discussion we are operating via a discussion board format. When you ask a specific question, you may or may not get an answer from the PP. There are statements made with out substantiation. And at the time of my posting there have been 891 views of this thread. How many viewers have given their opinion? 

3) My personal opinion is I want my education to be delivered at a higher level than "adequate". And again, I want my health care providers education to be geared at a higher level than "adequacy".

Can’t we all just “agree to disagree”. ?

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Specializes in MSN, FNP-BC.
39 minutes ago, londonflo said:
On 9/26/2022 at 11:15 AM, Guest1030824 said:

If an online NP is not competent in their assessment skills I think they would probably not do so well in the workplace setting. In my opinion, workplace success is what differentiates the good/bad NPs regardless of the school they intended.

Shouldn't competency on assessment skills be determined before the NP is in the workplace?  Kinda like, let them practice in the workplace until they make a mistake? Then declare they are not competent?

Absolutely. Competency should be completed before graduation. What NP Program you attend matters. My hybrid program required several on campus visits for: 

Campus Learning and Skills Intensive (CLASI)

Objective Structured Clinical Examinations (OSCEs)

Program Tests Outs

If a student performed poorly, the student will return at a later date to re-test. 

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Specializes in Psychiatry.

4000 NP grads a year from chamberlain LOL!

 

They are basically single handedly responsible for flooding the NP market (along with Walden) and those two schools make up a substantial chunk of graduation nurse practitioners.

 

Terrifying that most people who come in contact with an NP will be face to face with a graduate of a school that has almost no admission standards and allows almost anyway in as long as they can pay the tuition.

 

The biggest tell to me that for-profit grads are of a lower caliber (usually) is how poorly they respond to arguments about their school being low caliber. It usually goes like this:

 

"Everyone passes the same exam!"

"The exam does not measure competence, anyone could study and pass that exam, it's very easy."

"So you're saying all NPs who pass the exam are incompetent!?"

 

It's really a strange argument that is either purposely obtuse or shows a profound lack of understanding. No, we are saying that the board exam is the bare minimum but does not mean it makes someone competent. In other words, does passing the driver's license exam make everyone with a license a competent, safe driver? 

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Specializes in MSN, FNP-BC.

@MentalKlarity My face when I saw the Chamberlain number = ?

I thought my NP Program was not robust enough and my university is well-regarded. The Chamberlain NP Program must be a cake walk.

We all really need to voice our concerns and lobby for our profession. Chamberlain and Walden are flooding the market with mostly sub-par providers. And before anyone clobbers me, I'm sure there are exceptions to the rule. Anyway, it detrimentally affects those who attend/attended reputable NP programs and most importantly, the patients. 

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11 hours ago, MentalKlarity said:

4000 NP grads a year from chamberlain LOL!

 

 

WOW. I had NO idea. 

 My in-person brick and mortar NP experience has left much to be desired. HOWEVER, my classmates are impressive. People have years of experience before entering (it is not all in our specialty but they are still amazingly good) and our class discussions are fantastic. I always always learn a TON from my classmates, as well as from our faculty. I knew that there were online diploma mills but I did NOT know the numbers were that bad. 

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On 9/27/2022 at 1:43 PM, Numenor said:

I feel like this is a cope, its okay to accept objective faults with the investment you have put time into.

1. Flexibility. Why does a patient care about this? How does flexibility help produce an adequate product? Remember you are becoming a provider to serve patients. Would you want a MD who only did night school part-time for 10 years on Aruba because he had another day job and wanted more time to golf? NO other serious healthcare profession advertises flexibility/100% online classes as a pro. Not PT, PA, MD, DDS etc. Ask yourself why.

2. Wow, clincials are hands on? I would sure hope so....wouldn't be surprised if NP schools make it all tele or sim soon though.

3. Boards are a minimal "competency" test which IMO are poorly done. I took the ACNP exam and I didn't study. At least 25% of my questions were policy or lobbying-type questions. I had maybe 1-2 pharm questions, the rest were obvious answers that an average nurse could probably guess right. Go take some MD (internal med) board exam practice tests and get back to me. They take 3 STEP exams and one board exam just for IM. Weeks and weeks of studying.

4. Schools like Chamberlain don't verify or vet preceptors other than knowing they have a license. They could be awful, incompetent or a friend just trying to get you to pass. That is awful QC. Do not try to justify finding your own as some sort of pro. Do you find all of your professors on your own too? Do you choose your own boss/supervisor?

5. CCNE is a rubber stamp factory. Means nothing.

6. What research?

7. Of course it fits your needs, that's why people go into NP school and not CRNA, MD etc. Those require actual time, effort and sacrifice. I did NP school 3/4 time/full time at a brick-and-mortar school and at no point was I ever stressed. I worked full time as well. I started at an online program (state school), and it was even easier.

8. I didn't realize how little I knew until I did a post-grad fellowship and truly realized how much I did not know when working with residents. Now if you go into some handholding or chart monkey job this maybe won't matter. But if you are ever independent, reality will hit you fast.

I hope you do well.

Chart monkey:)  So that's the title   of that particular type of practice?  Love it.

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Specializes in Home Health,Peds.

What’s the cost if you go from BSN to NP?

 

Last I remember, they were charging $45000 for the  ADN to BSN route. I backed away and went with WGU instead. ) I paid $14,000. 
 

One of the best decisions I ever made!

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Specializes in CRNA, Finally retired.
9 hours ago, Googlenurse said:

What’s the cost if you go from BSN to NP?

 

Last I remember, they were charging $45000 for the  ADN to BSN route. I backed away and went with WGU instead. ) I paid $14,000. 
 

One of the best decisions I ever made!

But the person is asking about BS to NP.  Can anyone, anywhere become an NP for $14,000.

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