Chamberlain University FNP Student

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Hi, any nurses here go to Chamberlain for FNP? If so, what was your experience? Did you feel prepared for the clinicals and when you graduated?

Specializes in CRNA, Finally retired.
Mattheww said:

I really feel this school should be evaluated by the board of nursing....not jealous but concerned because a lot of my colleagues attend this school and they mention things like writing one paper to pass a pharmacotherapeutics class or doing an online sim for physical assessment...I mean...I've had to pass exams brick and mortar style ...had to memorizes classes for antibiotics, what microorganisms it targetted what to prescribe when patients are allergic etc...etc...I mean this fishy school is very well known among the nursing community for easy open book degrees LOL...I've had colleagues work full time over time and complete their degree in a year...I mean IDK....I really don't....my NP Program was hard!! Average was 80s on exam...and people studied their *** off and to thibk somewhere in the us people are taking exams while sipping their margaritas at home....IDK it just doesnt sit right with me...

Shame on our profession for setting such low standards.  I'm still amazed that add on BSN's don't have to do any public health rotation.  Blows my mind.

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subee said:

Shame on our profession for setting such low standards.  I'm still amazed that add on BSN's don't have to do any public health rotation.  Blows my mind.

Whatever do you mean....have you seen the amount of nurses they have imported from the philippines? US students are faced with significant competition, college tuition debt, and the work force is just diluted...and now we are dealing with the crisis of these for-profit institutions printing out degrees for people who can pay for them....I really regret selecting this profession. If I can go back in time I will select another career path...but for now, I don't care how easy is it to become a prescribing clinician through these school, I refuse to ever take a course in these shady schools.

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Mattheww said:

I really feel this school should be evaluated by the board of nursing....not jealous but concerned because a lot of my colleagues attend this school and they mention things like writing one paper to pass a pharmacotherapeutics class or doing an online sim for physical assessment...I mean...I've had to pass exams brick and mortar style ...had to memorizes classes for antibiotics, what microorganisms it targetted what to prescribe when patients are allergic etc...etc...I mean this fishy school is very well known among the nursing community for easy open book degrees LOL...I've had colleagues work full time over time and complete their degree in a year...I mean IDK....I really don't....my NP Program was hard!! Average was 80s on exam...and people studied their *** off and to thibk somewhere in the us people are taking exams while sipping their margaritas at home....IDK it just doesnt sit right with me...

Nursing boards don't care but these schools absolutely turn out idiots I have encountered them and they are terrifyingly unprepared 

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Specializes in CRNA, Finally retired.
Mattheww said:

Whatever do you mean....have you seen the amount of nurses they have imported from the philippines? US students are faced with significant competition, college tuition debt, and the work force is just diluted...and now we are dealing with the crisis of these for-profit institutions printing out degrees for people who can pay for them....I really regret selecting this profession. If I can go back in time I will select another career path...but for now, I don't care how easy is it to become a prescribing clinician through these school, I refuse to ever take a course in these shady schools.

It didn't use to be like this, but once the criminals figured out how to open a diploma mill, these schools became a part of the landscape.  Every Filipino nurse I ever worked with (many) were BSN's (Goes back to the Ferdinant Marcos administration) so I am glad they are coming here.  We nurses have to clean up our own act.  Our leaders aren't keeping the standards high enough.  If we are going to require nurses to have a BSN then we should provide them the same education bars as the entry to BSN programs.  If we don't want to provide them with the course requirements of a four year degree, then just stop the requirement because too many students are embittered and under-educated after graduating from the mills.  The ASN students are capable, IMHO, of providing good care and maybe we should just leave it there and require an advanced degree only for those who want to go into advanced practice.

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subee said:

It didn't use to be like this, but once the criminals figured out how to open a diploma mill, these schools became a part of the landscape.  Every Filipino nurse I ever worked with (many) were BSN's (Goes back to the Ferdinant Marcos administration) so I am glad they are coming here.  We nurses have to clean up our own act.  Our leaders aren't keeping the standards high enough.  If we are going to require nurses to have a BSN then we should provide them the same education bars as the entry to BSN programs.  If we don't want to provide them with the course requirements of a four year degree, then just stop the requirement because too many students are embittered and under-educated after graduating from the mills.  The ASN students are capable, IMHO, of providing good care and maybe we should just leave it there and require an advanced degree only for those who want to go into advanced practice.

are you filipino?

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Most students who attend chamberlain, grand canyon and all these shady instituitions are because they have obtained BSN asn via institutions not accredited by either acen or ccne....can sit for boards but transferring credits becomes extremely hard with other formal state or city universities....and this is the majority of the  professors we have in this profession right now....those graduated with dnps msns in 8 months to a year from diploma mills with open book exams...how shameful. 

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Specializes in CRNA, Finally retired.
Mattheww said:

are you filipino?

No I'm not, but worked in a hospital with a large Filipino presence.  And I'm old enough to remember that Marcos supported BSN education levels for nurses because he was fanatical about only traveling with his dialysis machine and the staff to run it.  NYC couldn't run their night shifts without them.  

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Guest1144461 said:

Why do people still go to for-profit school with obvious dubious reputations, just why? There are a million programs out there yet people choose to go to the objectively worst ones.

So what online program do you suggest? Because as a working mom with a medically fragile child...Online schooling is the best option for me with doing my clinicals in person. I attented one of the highest ranked nursing schools in the country and heavens knows nursing school prepares you to not kill someone and learn information. Real nursing is learned at the bs. Which, with an online program and choosing my own preceptors, I feel it will be just fine. PLUS, if you are a dud, you are a dud and that will come about in the care you provide and you will have ramifications. It all depends on the individual. 

So again, what millions of programs do you recommend?

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Nurse4389 said:

So what online program do you suggest? Because as a working mom with a medically fragile child...Online schooling is the best option for me with doing my clinicals in person. I attented one of the highest ranked nursing schools in the country and heavens knows nursing school prepares you to not kill someone and learn information. Real nursing is learned at the bs. Which, with an online program and choosing my own preceptors, I feel it will be just fine. PLUS, if you are a dud, you are a dud and that will come about in the care you provide and you will have ramifications. It all depends on the individual. 

So again, what millions of programs do you recommend?

Non-profit brick and mortar universities with online programs that provide the instruction you are paying for.

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Specializes in Peds/L&D/Med Surg/CC.
subee said:

Non-profit brick and mortar universities with online programs that provide the instruction you are paying for.

Exactly, I know what type of facilities you are discussing, but finding one completely online is hard to do and most brick and mortar have hybrid schedules. I have to HAVE something I can do while my children are at school. So if you have any legitimate suggestions, I will gladly take them. 

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Nurse4389 said:

Exactly, I know what type of facilities you are discussing, but finding one completely online is hard to do and most brick and mortar have hybrid schedules. I have to HAVE something I can do while my children are at school. So if you have any legitimate suggestions, I will gladly take them. 

Its not easy to go to school, study, work and care for your children. you are hard working, diligent and smart for sure....we are not discrediting that; we applaud you for that... youre trying to make health care better for the american people. What people on this forum is mostly displeased about is that there are availability of short cuts...short cuts to obtain a title of discipline that is burdened with significant responsibilities. unless you have some supernatural power, it is impossible for you to be able to see the inner workings of anyone's life. people may be in predicaments you can't even imagine. however against those odds, they find legitimate means to an end. It isn't fair for someone with other issues to be going to school, studying for exams, memorizing and reciting materials for class, when others are taking an open book exam for their one final test...I had to memorize step by step all physical exams for each system. tests, maneuvers to r/o certain conditions. hearing loss? did you do a dix hallpike, is there nystagmus, what's the pattern. what does this physical finding mean? what tests can you order? have you tried epleys or semont...we are tested one by one by a proctor in the school. we're doing all this, while someone I work with who now has a DUAL MASTERS, one as CNS and now as FNP that he got in the last 3 years... tells me that all he had to do for his physical assessment was a couple of online assignments, which he also claims he got answers online. It is not fair, it is not ethical, it is NOT SAFE for the patients down the line. there are many peer reviewed academic articles questioning the competencies of APRN in healthcare. PMD are declining and there is a rise in APRN. currently, hospitals favor hiring more APRN due to their belief of "cost efficiency, health equity," etc... however, increasing access (to poor care) doesn't correlate to better health outcomes and disease prevention.  its no offense, but I believe anyone in the RN level, who took 1 class of primary care can pass the AANP and ancc certification exam. those exams are rudimentary; its an entrance exam designed, at best, to test BASIC NP knowledge. what really stands in the way of incompetence is the 2-3 years of quality training and clinicals NP's receive in school. In those articles I have mentioned, MD's don't see the value in working in collaboration with NP's. they find them incompetent. I know, harsh words, but these are qualitative data, and what many MD's expressed in the studies.  rather than freeing up their time, they found themselves burdened by overseeing NP's work, reviewing their documentations and treatment plans.  I won't share the articles here directly, however you can easily find some on Google. just type in MD views on NP collaborative practice and you'll see an abundance of articles. When enough of these inadequately trained NP's dilute the field, NP's will face negativity and there will be a rise in literature arguing for greater educational requirements. sound familiar with ASN and BSN, and that mortality BS? taking all those fluff courses about policy, research, informatics, public health for bachelors doesn't make you a better CLINICAL nurse. it doesn't reduce hospital mortality. I'm sorry. I don't buy into that. I'm a firm believer in giving nurses the education they need for PRACTICAL APPLICATION. nurses will be better nurses when they are more knowledgeable with the study of medsurg. give them medsurg 1-3, advance medsurg 1-5. take away unnecessary courses. give FNP's and AGNP's primary care 1-5, pharmacology 1 and 2. take away those research, policy crap. you want to include informatics, include it in the informatics degree and pathway. you learned enough through BSN. as masters students, they know how to search research articles...you don't have to reteach them about boolean operators, and whats peer and not peer reviewed, which design of tests are reliable or not... come on. sooner or later, DNP will be the minimum requirement for NP practice. you can guarentee that. 

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I think its criminal for the state board of nursing who gives these for profit institutions AUTHORITY to CLEAR students to take the proficiency exams. why even include masters as a requirement? just leave it open for everyone to take it. lets just go out and buy a springers review book and study for 5 months and pass it...I wasn't privileged enough to go to med school...but even after getting my BSN, I should've went the PA route...the more I speak on this matter the more it irritates me. 

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