Mattheww

I think its criminal for the state board of nursing who gives these for profit institutions AUTHORITY to CLEAR students to take the proficiency exams. why even include masters as a requirement? just leave it open for everyone to take it. lets just go out and buy a springers review book and study for 5 months and pass it...I wasn't privileged enough to go to med school...but even after getting my BSN, I should've went the PA route...the more I speak on this matter the more it irritates me.

Its not easy to go to school, study, work and care for your children. you are hard working, diligent and smart for sure....we are not discrediting that; we applaud you for that... youre trying to make health care better for the american people. What people on this forum is mostly displeased about is that there are availability of short cuts...short cuts to obtain a title of discipline that is burdened with significant responsibilities. unless you have some supernatural power, it is impossible for you to be able to see the inner workings of anyone's life. people may be in predicaments you can't even imagine. however against those odds, they find legitimate means to an end. It isn't fair for someone with other issues to be going to school, studying for exams, memorizing and reciting materials for class, when others are taking an open book exam for their one final test...I had to memorize step by step all physical exams for each system. tests, maneuvers to r/o certain conditions. hearing loss? did you do a dix hallpike, is there nystagmus, what's the pattern. what does this physical finding mean? what tests can you order? have you tried epleys or semont...we are tested one by one by a proctor in the school. we're doing all this, while someone I work with who now has a DUAL MASTERS, one as CNS and now as FNP that he got in the last 3 years... tells me that all he had to do for his physical assessment was a couple of online assignments, which he also claims he got answers online. It is not fair, it is not ethical, it is NOT SAFE for the patients down the line. there are many peer reviewed academic articles questioning the competencies of APRN in healthcare. PMD are declining and there is a rise in APRN. currently, hospitals favor hiring more APRN due to their belief of "cost efficiency, health equity," etc... however, increasing access (to poor care) doesn't correlate to better health outcomes and disease prevention. its no offense, but I believe anyone in the RN level, who took 1 class of primary care can pass the AANP and ancc certification exam. those exams are rudimentary; its an entrance exam designed, at best, to test BASIC NP knowledge. what really stands in the way of incompetence is the 2-3 years of quality training and clinicals NP's receive in school. In those articles I have mentioned, MD's don't see the value in working in collaboration with NP's. they find them incompetent. I know, harsh words, but these are qualitative data, and what many MD's expressed in the studies. rather than freeing up their time, they found themselves burdened by overseeing NP's work, reviewing their documentations and treatment plans. I won't share the articles here directly, however you can easily find some on Google. just type in MD views on NP collaborative practice and you'll see an abundance of articles. When enough of these inadequately trained NP's dilute the field, NP's will face negativity and there will be a rise in literature arguing for greater educational requirements. sound familiar with ASN and BSN, and that mortality BS? taking all those fluff courses about policy, research, informatics, public health for bachelors doesn't make you a better CLINICAL nurse. it doesn't reduce hospital mortality. I'm sorry. I don't buy into that. I'm a firm believer in giving nurses the education they need for PRACTICAL APPLICATION. nurses will be better nurses when they are more knowledgeable with the study of medsurg. give them medsurg 1-3, advance medsurg 1-5. take away unnecessary courses. give FNP's and AGNP's primary care 1-5, pharmacology 1 and 2. take away those research, policy crap. you want to include informatics, include it in the informatics degree and pathway. you learned enough through BSN. as masters students, they know how to search research articles...you don't have to reteach them about boolean operators, and whats peer and not peer reviewed, which design of tests are reliable or not... come on. sooner or later, DNP will be the minimum requirement for NP practice. you can guarentee that.

Hi, this message is for the original poster. Were you able to make a decision? If so, which specialty did you get into. For me, I finished my masters and I am currently studying for the boards, and I too, have a mortgage to pay. I did apply to multiple outpatient clinics, being primary care and cardiology, as most of my interest will be in those areas for my NP practice. I had 7.5 years in the ER and I hear you. It's not just the crazy work load, I also found a lot of people I worked with a little cray cray. And most days, they were the last straw that broke my back LOL...you got lazy people: a code rolls in and all the new nurses are just chillin in the nursing station. CNA's are always missing and they go missing sometimes when you send them on errands. there is no sense of urgency for people WORKING IN THE ER. I KNOW! ACS chest pain rolls in, people take their time with EKG's. people got laid back with following protocols, some didn't even know what they were doing...I hated to be the most senior nurse and ONLY resource person on some days. turnover rates were too high. I and a group of people, with only one remaining by the time I resigned, were the only ones trained under the new graduate residency program guided by an ED & medsurg clinical instructor. For others, it was just a blind leading the blind situation . Now, I've been offered jobs from magnet hospitals, level 1 trauma, multiple ICU's, CTICU, and NO...I'm too old for that. I can handle people, but my back isn't the same and knee is crackin when im bendin LOL I'm not that young nurse with that much enthusiasm and energy to be dealing with trauma, autotransfusions, ecmo, etc.. the days of 1:8 to even 15 on some days are OVER....and I had plenty during the covid pandemic, when I was getting paid pennies by the dollar... Don't get me wrong I LOVE working; I'm a workaholic. somedays, I was actually looking forward to going to work...but IDK I need a change. I'm also undetermined and would like your 2 cents on it. thanks.

Most students who attend chamberlain, grand canyon and all these shady instituitions are because they have obtained BSN asn via institutions not accredited by either acen or ccne....can sit for boards but transferring credits becomes extremely hard with other formal state or city universities....and this is the majority of the professors we have in this profession right now....those graduated with dnps msns in 8 months to a year from diploma mills with open book exams...how shameful.

are you filipino?

Whatever do you mean....have you seen the amount of nurses they have imported from the philippines? US students are faced with significant competition, college tuition debt, and the work force is just diluted...and now we are dealing with the crisis of these for-profit institutions printing out degrees for people who can pay for them....I really regret selecting this profession. If I can go back in time I will select another career path...but for now, I don't care how easy is it to become a prescribing clinician through these school, I refuse to ever take a course in these shady schools.

youre joking....my friends had to write a 3 page midterm paper for phamacotherapeutics in his NP Program....no exams...thats a joke...don't kid yourself...this school is well known in the nursing community for being EASY....should be reported to the board of nursing in my opinion...im surprised they are even accredited.....im quite worried about nurses graduating from this institution, entering the field of healthcare..

I really feel this school should be evaluated by the board of nursing....not jealous but concerned because a lot of my colleagues attend this school and they mention things like writing one paper to pass a pharmacotherapeutics class or doing an online sim for physical assessment...I mean...I've had to pass exams brick and mortar style ...had to memorizes classes for antibiotics, what microorganisms it targetted what to prescribe when patients are allergic etc...etc...I mean this fishy school is very well known among the nursing community for easy open book degrees LOL...I've had colleagues work full time over time and complete their degree in a year...I mean IDK....I really don't....my NP Program was hard!! Average was 80s on exam...and people studied their *** off and to thibk somewhere in the us people are taking exams while sipping their margaritas at home....IDK it just doesnt sit right with me...

What the hell is wrong with you? Don't think too highly of yourself. I'm an acute care gerontology nurse practitioner, with 7 years experience, now going for doctorates. I started from nothing with a mediocre GPA to an associates, BSN then to MSN. 100k is a lot of money and you need to think if you will have better options out there. not all nursing schools are hard to get into. just look broader; maybe out of state if you have to. community and city colleges are harder to get into because of cheaper tuition; its in higher demand and not enough seats to need that demand. Just because you struggled with prereqs doesn't mean youre going to struggle with nursing courses. I had a hard time with anatomy and granted my college was notoriously known to weed out "poor candidates." I don't know why they make US nursing programs so ridiculously hard and then they hire some nurse easily from the Philippines. I don't see us importing our financial officers, lawyers, judiciaries from out of the country... going back to the topic, just because you struggled in your prereqs doesn't mean youre going to struggle with core nursing courses. don't listen to this buffoon. I got B's, in my prereqs and got all B+ and A's in the initial nursing track. and for master's, I got all A's and A+'s. and no, I didn't attend some easy online BSN masters programs others want to take an easy ticket to graduating. Don't think I know about those....major ones start with C, G. my friend took her MSN in clinical nursing and the only thing required from her from pharmacotherapeutics and advantage health assessment was final papers. that's ludicrous! anyways. you have the potential because your heart is in the right place. if you feel your calling is in medical, keep at it. like I said, don't get your grades from prereqs discourage you from pursuing your dream in becoming a nurse. anybody, including the baffoon who replied to your thread can do it. When you graduate and enter the real world, a nurse is a nurse. a nurse who graduated from Johns hopkins is no different from somebody who graduated from a community college. If you took your studies seriously and if you have the innate/genuine want to help others, you will outshine everyone in the unit and people like this one will be hella jealous of you; will even possibly bully you. If a person like me got into nursing school, passed the courses and passed the NCLEX in 75 questions, got into a prestigious masters program, SO... CAN... YOU! you'll find a way. good luck!

Oh, I didnt really catch on to what yall were sayin lols yes, you need a RN license in order to apply for the RN-BSN. From what i know...only 4 yr colleges and grad schools offer traditional bsn programs and the accelerated programs

Lols thank you Celen. I agree, I was thinking of going for accelerated nursing, but courses like med surg and patho arent meant to be taken over the winter & summer semesters...better to give yourself enough time to let the info really sink in and become a part of you. After all, nursing is gonna be our life...our basis and foundation shouldn't be prepared with a crash course...btw has anyone filed their FASFA?

Huh~ I thought we were gonna get our stethoscopes during our scrubs fitting. Has anyone gotten the official acceptance letter & package by mail?

Sorry I haven't been able to reply to y'all...took my final midterms..and submitted a bunch of research papers. Karpas Institute module is a course during summer offered to refresh your memory. Thought a little revision wouldn't hurt; been a long time since I've taken my last basic science course anyway. Think I'm going to also go over some anatomy and micro notes during the course period too...force myself some discipline to avoid being lazy over the summer :) Happy Spring Break guys :) Everyone deserves a good rest lols Oh uh stephieL: The refresher course is free of charge I think...Generously donated my someone.

Will also be in the traditional We could be study buddies ~ Are you guys going to attend the Summer Karpa Institute program?

Group hug!!!