I know a nurse who graduated with her ADN in 2007. She works in the ICU and has been the "charge nurse" for sometime.( I am still taking my prerequisites for Nursing, so I'm not completely sure what all the different titles for different nurses are. )
Anyways, apparently she got promoted to an even higher supervisory position, I think she is now the head nurse of the ICU as opposed to just the leader of her shift (although she didn't specify what the position was).
Also, I was reading a thread on here, and another woman said that after 5 months of working as an RN(also ADN educated) she moved into a supervisory position.
I was wondering, is this common? I hear so many saying "if you want to move up the career ladder in Nursing you should have a BSN." but this woman has a ADN and has apparently become Miss Boss Lady.
Specializes in LTC, assisted living, med-surg, psych.
absolutely, an adn can be qualified as supervisory.
the degree is only part of the consideration.
if i worked with an experienced, intelligent, resourceful nurse w/initiative & leadership skills, i'd hire him/her in a minute...not even knowing what type of degree they had...or if they even had a degree.
don't misunderstand.
there are facilities that'll hire anyone with the preferred degree, regardless if they're qualified or not.
they just want the body and the degree.
but a talented nurse can indeed go far.
the degree is the icing.
leslie
This is spot on.
Degree snobbery, IMHO, is another one of the factors which cause nursing to be taken less seriously as a profession than it should be. Not only because we've never established a single point of entry into the field, but because we chew up and spit out nurses who in our opinion lack the "right" credentials for certain types of jobs (even though no one agrees on what those credentials are ). It's as if we can forgive anything but an LPN or ADN---even one with street-smarts, talent, and a work ethic---who rises from the ranks to become an authority figure.
A couple of years ago, I worked with an LPN who was in her last year of a BSN program, and who seemed to think she was extra-special by virtue of being in that program. One day she told me, "I would SO love to have you for my preceptor this semester, but since you're only an ADN, you wouldn't qualify." Last spring, she called me up at my AL facility and asked me for a job; but not without a comment to the effect that I should've been the one asking HER because she was the BSN and should have been where I was.
Degree snobbery, IMHO, is another one of the factors which cause nursing to be taken less seriously as a profession than it should be. Not only because we've never established a single point of entry into the field, but because we chew up and spit out nurses who in our opinion lack the "right" credentials for certain types of jobs (even though no one agrees on what those credentials are ). It's as if we can forgive anything but an LPN or ADN---even one with street-smarts, talent, and a work ethic---who rises from the ranks to become an authority figure.
A couple of years ago, I worked with an LPN who was in her last year of a BSN program, and who seemed to think she was extra-special by virtue of being in that program. One day she told me, "I would SO love to have you for my preceptor this semester, but since you're only an ADN, you wouldn't qualify." Last spring, she called me up at my AL facility and asked me for a job; but not without a comment to the effect that I should've been the one asking HER because she was the BSN and should have been where I was.
let's put it this way. i've read a lot of charting by charge nurses and supervisors who have associate degrees, and a few depositions. they might have the job but that doesn't make them best qualified.
Specializes in Oncology; medical specialty website.
I know a nurse who graduated with her ADN in 2007. She works in the ICU and has been the "charge nurse" for sometime.( I am still taking my prerequisites for Nursing, so I'm not completely sure what all the different titles for different nurses are. )
Anyways, apparently she got promoted to an even higher supervisory position, I think she is now the head nurse of the ICU as opposed to just the leader of her shift (although she didn't specify what the position was).
Also, I was reading a thread on here, and another woman said that after 5 months of working as an RN(also ADN educated) she moved into a supervisory position.
I was wondering, is this common? I hear so many saying "if you want to move up the career ladder in Nursing you should have a BSN." but this woman has a ADN and has apparently become Miss Boss Lady.
Thanks!:)
This is insulting to all diploma and ADN nurses. And it comes from someone who isn't even a nursing student, let alone a working nurse.
Specializes in Oncology; medical specialty website.
let's put it this way. i've read a lot of charting by charge nurses and supervisors who have associate degrees, and a few depositions. they might have the job but that doesn't make them best qualified.
I have had head nurse and supervisory positions. I am a diploma nurse. My charting has been used by other people as the expected quality.
There are a variety of reasons why someone makes a good leader or supervisor.
Education is only one aspect of the consideration for leadership. Some people are natural leaders, others may learn the necessary qualities.
Why are we fussing about this???? Forty years ago it was said that the BSN should be entry level, and it would happen by 1990. Still hasn't happened. And I think if I paid 40-60-100 thousand bucks for my education I wouldn't want to work nights, holidays, or weekends, either!
Specializes in burn ICU, SICU, ER, Trauma Rapid Response.
I work in a large Magnet certified, trauma, tertirary care hospital. The manager of our SICU who was just hired in 2010 is an ADN nurse. In 2005 I worked a travel position in a large university hospital in Cali. While I was there they hired a new manager for the ICU who didn't even have an ADN but was a "30 unit option" RN with vast critical care and military leadership experience. Here in Wisconsin many of the small hospital nurse managers are ADN or diploma nurses. I 2010 as an ADN I was offered a night shift supervisor job in one of the largest VA medical centers in the VA. They require a BSN for supervisors and so when they offered me the job they changed the title to "House charge" but the responsibiliety, duties and pay were exactly the same. I was also offered a job as a service line manager in a medium sized hospital. The job was to set up and manage the brand new CV surg program. Managers in that health system require a masters in nursing. They changed the title to "servise line leader" when they offered it to me. Same job, same pay, just by changing the title they eliminated to MSN requirment.
So yes a nurse with an ADN can and very often do move up into managment positions. However if my goal was to be a manager I would start with a BSN and then move to MSN. For every story told here of ADN RN getting managment jobs there are a thousand more of ADNs who did not get the managment job, or didn't even apply cause they didn't have a BSN or higher.
ADN can definitely move into management. Whether or not a person is able to get into a managerial position completely depends on their skills, ability to manage and motivate staff, and ability to communicate, among many other things.
This is insulting to all diploma and ADN nurses. And it comes from someone who isn't even a nursing student, let alone a working nurse.
Why is it insulting?
OP is asking a question, she clearly states she's doing pre-reqs; she's trying to figure out if she needs a BSN. She isn't saying anything good or bad about anyone. I don't understand why you think she's being insulting.
For OP - yes, as others have said, an AD nurse can be the boss. It depends on personality, skills, your interests, and who you know. Good luck with your career and education.
The short answer...yes! At my job tonight, our hospital shift supervisor is an old Diploma nurse, AND.... my patient was getting dialysis performed by an LPN who had worked for a nephrologist for years and then he sold the practice and the hospital snapped her up, you can't get someone RN or LPN more qualified than her. The patient's nurse an RN was in asking questions of the LPN about hanging blood with the dialysis. So it's more about knowledge and experience than the degree. Does a BSN nurse have a leg up...often yes, but it also depends on the location.
let's put it this way. i've read a lot of charting by charge nurses and supervisors who have associate degrees, and a few depositions. they might have the job but that doesn't make them best qualified.
anyone that has had to work for a bumbling idiot with a long string of tlas after their name can tell you just how incorrect your assumption is.
A couple of years ago, I worked with an LPN who was in her last year of a BSN program, and who seemed to think she was extra-special by virtue of being in that program. One day she told me, "I would SO love to have you for my preceptor this semester, but since you're only an ADN, you wouldn't qualify." Last spring, she called me up at my AL facility and asked me for a job; but not without a comment to the effect that I should've been the one asking HER because she was the BSN and should have been where I was.
). It's as if we can forgive anything but an LPN or ADN---even one with street-smarts, talent, and a work ethic---who rises from the ranks to become an authority figure. 
VivaLasViejas, ASN, RN
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This is spot on.
Degree snobbery, IMHO, is another one of the factors which cause nursing to be taken less seriously as a profession than it should be. Not only because we've never established a single point of entry into the field, but because we chew up and spit out nurses who in our opinion lack the "right" credentials for certain types of jobs (even though no one agrees on what those credentials are
). It's as if we can forgive anything but an LPN or ADN---even one with street-smarts, talent, and a work ethic---who rises from the ranks to become an authority figure.
A couple of years ago, I worked with an LPN who was in her last year of a BSN program, and who seemed to think she was extra-special by virtue of being in that program. One day she told me, "I would SO love to have you for my preceptor this semester, but since you're only an ADN, you wouldn't qualify." Last spring, she called me up at my AL facility and asked me for a job; but not without a comment to the effect that I should've been the one asking HER because she was the BSN and should have been where I was.