California 1st in nation to require vaccines for health care workers

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Today, the State of California is taking decisive action to combat the spread of COVID-19 and protect vulnerable communities – implementing a first-in-the-nation standard to require all state workers and workers in health care and high-risk congregate settings to either ...

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California Implements First-in-the-Nation Measures to Encourage State Employees and Health Care Workers to Get Vaccinated

[Thanksforthedonuts, MSN, APRN]

2 minutes ago, toomuchbaloney said:

Your unfounded distrust of the accountable experts is noted.  

The vaccines are safe and effective.  You should vaccinate and stop sharing misinformation that might create hesitancy for others, it's irresponsible. 

What misinformation? Tell me what I am saying that misinformative? Obviously you are just too smart. You just can’t handle anything besides your own opinion. You are clearly naive. 

[toomuchbaloney]

4 minutes ago, jive turkey said:

I am open minded enough to COGNITIVELY understand why someone who has strong beliefs about abortion would further object to using tissue from the electively aborted would be an issue for them.  That doesn't mean I agree with them or condone their decision.  I wouldn't be so closed minded as to regard them as selfish or crazy.  

Your reaction is more understandable for people who misinform and mislead people against vaccines based on conspiracy theories, political affiliation, superstitions and other ideas not based on concrete facts.

I don't think you realize I'm more on your side than you may believe.  What troubles me is I'm willing to bet you're a very smart and talented person.  When I see that intelligence and talent deferred to simply insult, shame, and label people it genuinely makes me sad and fearful you're doing more harm than good.

 

I don't care what side you think you are on. You are a broken record with nothing of value to add to the efforts to decrease misinformation.  I don't care if you agree with my style or my posts. 

[Thanksforthedonuts, MSN, APRN]

Just now, toomuchbaloney said:

I don't care what side you think you are on. You are a broken record with nothing of value to add to the efforts to decrease misinformation.  I don't care if you agree with my style or my posts. 

Ahhh yes sir. Of course sire. Please sire spare me. My gosh you are special kind of something. 

[toomuchbaloney]

2 minutes ago, Thanksforthedonuts said:

What misinformation? Tell me what I am saying that misinformative? Obviously you are just too smart. You just can’t handle anything besides your own opinion. 

Yes...that must be it...I'm just too smart. 

Meanwhile, you are refusing to vaccinate with safe and effective vaccines because of your feelings...because you don't trust the accountable experts paid to guide is through public health concerns. 

[Thanksforthedonuts, MSN, APRN]

2 minutes ago, toomuchbaloney said:

I don't care what side you think you are on. You are a broken record with nothing of value to add to the efforts to decrease misinformation.  I don't care if you agree with my style or my posts. 

Go ahead and continue double masking your kids and wearing gloves to the grocery store while fully vaccinated since you trust everything you cherry pick. 

[toomuchbaloney]

2 minutes ago, Thanksforthedonuts said:

Ahhh yes sir. Of course sire. Please sire spare me. My gosh you are special kind of something. 

More nonsense from an unvaccinated disease spreader....

[Thanksforthedonuts, MSN, APRN]

1 minute ago, toomuchbaloney said:

More nonsense from an unvaccinated disease spreader....

You’re cute 

[toomuchbaloney]

1 minute ago, Thanksforthedonuts said:

Go ahead and continue double masking your kids and wearing gloves to the grocery store while fully vaccinated since you trust everything you cherry pick. 

Making assumptions now are you? Speaking of cherry picking...did you realize that you are unvaccinated because of cherry picked concerns? You didn't did you?

Bwahahaha 

[jive turkey]

12 minutes ago, macawake said:

 

Okay, I’m going to try to explain what my ?  is with your posts. You have told us over and over again how you think that we should be conducting ourselves but you are not doing ANYTHING to help counter harmful disinformation.

My judgement isn’t clouded by anger or frustration. I am angry with people who share lies. Lies that we know have gotten people killed. I shouldn’t have to remind you about what’s happening in your country right now. People in hospitals, on their deathbed, begging to get vaccinated. Yes, I am angry at the lies that have lead these people to not vaccinate and who are now paying the ultimate price, but you should know that when posting I choose my words deliberately and dispassionately.

You don’t seem capable of understanding that my goal isn’t the same as your goal. And what I feel is that rather than telling me or TMB how to post, you might consider doing as I already suggested instead. Lead by example. 

You replied more than once, and I'll try to cover your concerns from all. 

I've stated more than once, there are those that argue against the vaccine with no concrete evidence to support their argument.  I don't support them and recognize their minds may not be changed.  

There are some who have factual evidence (fetal cells) that you and many may feel is not a good enough reason to decline vaccination.  That is a disagreement. Fair enough.

There are those who have doubts, and are hesitant about the vaccine.  These are the people I'm advocating for and trying to encourage fellow health professionals from discouraging them from considering the vaccine by having people, especially medical professionals, label them as "selfish" among other things.  

This is what I see happening in our profession.  People being verbally abusive because someone has a different perspective or viewpoint they can't relate to or agree with.  They engage in character assassination ending the possibility for exchanging information and understanding one another. 

So MY CONTRIBUTION that you keep calling for, in this instance, is not to recite CDC data rather to do something that indeed is very important and which is to promote respectful communication! We do this all the time in our profession don't we?

I'll make it extremely simple

I encourage everyone with dissenting views to be respectful of each other and educate when possible.  Help me understand what moves you to continue arguing with me against this idea.

 

[jive turkey]

9 minutes ago, toomuchbaloney said:

I don't care what side you think you are on. You are a broken record with nothing of value to add to the efforts to decrease misinformation.  I don't care if you agree with my style or my posts. 

Come back when somebody who refused to vaccinate decides to change their mind and do it thanks to you calling them selfish and crazy.  What I've said is less of a broken record rather information being delivered to someone unwilling to consider other perspectives besides their own.  

Good day Baloney. 

[toomuchbaloney]

2 minutes ago, jive turkey said:

You replied more than once, and I'll try to cover your concerns from all. 

I've stated more than once, there are those that argue against the vaccine with no concrete evidence to support their argument.  I don't support them and recognize their minds may not be changed.  

There are some who have factual evidence (fetal cells) that you and many may feel is not a good enough reason to decline vaccination.  That is a disagreement. Fair enough.

There are those who have doubts, and are hesitant about the vaccine.  These are the people I'm advocating for and trying to encourage fellow health professionals from discouraging them from considering the vaccine by having people, especially medical professionals, label them as "selfish" among other things.  

This is what I see happening in our profession.  People being verbally abusive because someone has a different perspective or viewpoint they can't relate to or agree with.  They engage in character assassination ending the possibility for exchanging information and understanding one another. 

So MY CONTRIBUTION that you keep calling for, in this instance, is not to recite CDC data rather to do something that indeed is very important and which is to promote respectful communication! We do this all the time in our profession don't we?

I'll make it extremely simple

I encourage everyone with dissenting views to be respectful of each other and educate when possible.  Help me understand what moves you to continue arguing with me against this idea.

 

So?

You've done that.  Over and over you share those opinions. That's all you have, apparently, is discontent with the way we engage the unvaccinated in these threads. Aren't you done beating that dead horse yet? Do you honestly think that you are changing my style by repeatedly sharing your critical opinion of my style? 

It appears that you believe that your opinion and preference for interacting with the unvaccinated is the superior strategy...good for you...maybe use it to decrease the amount of covidiocy being spread by self identified health professionals. 

[toomuchbaloney]

3 minutes ago, jive turkey said:

Come back when somebody who refused to vaccinate decides to change their mind and do it thanks to you calling them selfish and crazy.  What I've said is less of a broken record rather information being delivered to someone unwilling to consider other perspectives besides their own.  

Good day Baloney. 

LOL

Are you that dense or do you just not read what is posted by myself and others? You don't get to decide what my goals in these threads include...unless you are content with me simply deciding that your goals here are simply to troll and rabble rouse.  You are welcome to consider all of the misinformation and fear mongering that you prefer.  Most of us shy away from that nonsense and let people know that they are misinformed...but you do you.