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So yeah....

I just got home about an hour ago from my trip to Nevada... lol.. Although I had an AWESOME time, I'm barely getting started on my concept map. I read the last few posts and see exactly what everyone is talking about.. It seems too "easy", but I agree with Bethany, is confusing in some areas. Like many of you, I'm just gonna do the best I can and call it a night (hopefully soon!)... Still gotta take a peek at 394's assignment... Get some sleep for me, guys...haha

-Sabrina

I feel like I need another day just to keep on top of everything...man there is a ton of reading for every class. Tarabara and tttt, how important is it to thoroughly read all the assigned chapters? I feel like if I only skim it and read the key summaries at the end, I might miss something important....how did you guys do it?

Honestly, it's a matter of how comfortable with how much you glean from lecture and your own notes. For pharm, I barely read at all. For 310, I read most of the psychosocial/developmental/health promotion stuff, but not so much health assessment.

I found the Self-Concept, Cognitive/Perceptual, and Health Perception/Management to be the biggest culprits. One of the books even continued to confused me further! Under the Health Perception/Management section in one of the books (I can't remember which one), it brought up a point that was exactly the same as one of the sentences in our case study: the pt found himself getting fatigued after mowing the lawn for 15 minutes. In the book, it had that under Health Perception/Management but I personally think it fits under Activities/Exercise.

SC/SP = all statements regarding how the patient perceives himself. I don't find a lot of objective data in here. You're trying to answer questions like "How would you describe yourself?" and "What do you like/dislike about yourself?" An example of this would be +(S) Pt states "I am pretty awesome."

C/P = all statements regarding the senses and cognitive functioning. So you try to answer questions like "Has your hearing/vision changed?" or "Are you feeling any pain?" (Pain goes here. Definitely.) An example would be +(O) Patient has mini-mental state exam score of 30, indicating no cognitive impairment. and -(S)Patient reports that he can no longer hear in his right ear.

HP/HM = all statements regarding their beliefs about health, how they take care of their health(medications? Alternative therapies? Doctors visits?), familial risk factors for disease, and how they take care of themselves in general (for someone at risk for falls, do they keep the room clear? For someone who has a history of MI, do they take their medications on schedule?) An example would be +(O) Pt takes a multivitamin every day. and -(S) Pt reports that she does not perform routine self-breast exams.

Also, don't forget to add in how they DON'T take care of themselves. Things like smoking, alcohol abuse, drug abuse, medication regimen noncompliance, and even not wearing a bike helmet fall under this category.

For cases you can argue, like the one you specified, its always debatable it doesn't help, I know. But for "pt reports that he is fatigued after mowing the lawn after 15 minutes", I'd categorize that as activity/exercise.

But even then, at the bottom of our case study there was a lot of objective information like vital stats and assessment information and I had no idea where to put most of it. There was information like hearing and vision acuity which would go under Cognitive/Perceptual, but others like assessment of the thorax, abdomen and extremities that I had no idea where to put, as well as vitals like temperature, pulse, respiration and ox sat. I just kind of threw those into the middle and said "Additional Data"

For vitals and assessment, it's something you learn more in lab. Basic rules are like this: if it has to do with air, motion, physical movement (like breathing, heartbeat) it's more of an activity/exercise piece. For example:

+/-(O) Vitals (27/4) - BP: 120/64; Pulse: 64; RR:14

+(O) Capillary refill

+(O) Aortic, Pulmonic, Erb's, Tricuspid, Mitral areas auscultated and have regular rhythm, rate (70 bpm), clear S1/S2 sounds

Temperature, skin, hair distribution, things related to nutrition, and things related to growth (height, weight) I believe belong in nutrition/metabolic. For example, I have:

+(O) Vitals (27/4) - Temp: 96.9 (oral)

+(O) Skin flesh colored, with even pigmentation. Hair distribution even.

+(O) Skin warm, dry bilaterally on face, arms, hands, legs, feet, and abdomen.

There were also a couple random facts that they threw into the interview like about how the man was a smoker and smoked for 60 years and there was also a blurb about his inhaler that he has, but it's 2 years old because he never uses it and doesn't want to pay for a new one. I had no idea where that would go, either.

The 394 was a lot more confusing because there was a big list of traits (I guess you'd call it that) and we had to label them "O" for Objective info, "S" for subjective info, or "N" for neither. Maybe this is just me being too anal, but I found that many of the traits listed could have been both! There were some traits that were listed in quotation marks, which automatically make them subjective, but then there were a ton that could have been given directly from the patient or could have been observed by the nurse. I had no idea what to put for those. And then we had to put them all into the concept map, but another problem with the list of traits is that they're not all from one person--there were conflicting traits. So how could they be mapped?

General rule of thumb is that if it's subjective, it's preceded by "patient states" or "patient reports" or "patient denies". Objective data is what is measured by the nurse. I can't remember that specific sheet otherwise I could explain a little more.

I hope something in that gigantic wall of text helped

Oh wow, that was an awesome explanation! Thank you, tttt!! That does help clear things up a bit! I don't think we need to have the +/- in there yet... but I dunno. They were mentioned in the 394 assignment, but not in the 310 assignment, readings, or in the PowerPoint.

I'm going to look over it one last time after reading this and then I'm just going to turn it in and hope for the best! I literally almost forgot that we had to turn the 310 assignment in online... I printed it out and everything! Thank goodness I was reminded. It's a good thing I didn't go to bed or else I'd be in trouble! lol!

But now I'm officially going to bed. Good luck everyone! And thanks again for helping us out, tttt! You're awesome!!! haha See you guys in like.. 8 hours!

Thanks tttt! Even though I somewhat still don't know what I am doing lol you just made it a little bit easier to breathe with your explanations hahaha.

Well considering its about midnight sunday night now its probably too late to help but tttt explained things well anyway :) There is definitely a lot of info that could over lap into different functional health patterns. But there are also things that definitely always go into a certain area and those will be explained (like vital signs) and if you're confused about one that doesnt have a definite area than as long as a you have an explanation for where you put it they'll pretty much except anything. I'm sure things will be more clear when they explain it tomorrow in class but questions are always welcomed :) I think the questions are good for us Jr 2s as well so that we dont forget everything over the summer! haha

As far as having the time to read everything, as tttt said its about your comfort level. I personally have never used text books much because I just cant pay attention when I read them. So I pretty much didn't read at all, I just paid attention during class and went over the power points. Dont feel like you HAVE to read, especially not every word, just do what works for you :)

The days and weeks feel like they go by slow, but then when you're 3/4 done with the semester all the sudden you feel like it went by super fast! lol

Hi everyone! I just found out about this site from tttt (we were in the same learning community) and have spent probably the past hour and a half reading from the very beginning lol. I just wanted to say CONGRATS, it's going to be hell, but you are going to love it at the same time. Just keep in mind that you're presently making memories that you'll look back on and smile about. So enjoy every moment =).

I only have 3 tips: Don't fret about the readings. If you find that it helps and you have the time, by all means, do it. You'll absolutely gain extra info that way. If you don't have the time or hate reading (like I do), you'll be fine. I made good grades w/o reading a dang thing. I'm definitely not bragging, I'm actually envious, I wish I liked reading but I just can't seem to stay awake for certain materials. My other tip is, the final project when you're caring for your own LTC resident, DON'T PROCRASTINATE. I remember seeing tttt walk into class the day it was due and I couldn't help but crack up, YOU WERE A MESS, LOL. I, too, stayed up the whole night before and got done only 45 minutes before I had to leave the house. Never again. The third thing is, learn to accept that B's are good and to expect C's. A's aren't necessary. We're in the program now, no need to be in the competitive mindset of making perfect grades. I'm still working on trying to accept this fact myself.

I'm looking forward to coming here to see how you guys are doing and to help out with any questions. Good luck and have fun! =)

Hi everyone! I just found out about this site from tttt (we were in the same learning community) and have spent probably the past hour and a half reading from the very beginning lol. I just wanted to say CONGRATS, it's going to be hell, but you are going to love it at the same time. Just keep in mind that you're presently making memories that you'll look back on and smile about. So enjoy every moment =).

I only have 3 tips: Don't fret about the readings. If you find that it helps and you have the time, by all means, do it. You'll absolutely gain extra info that way. If you don't have the time or hate reading (like I do), you'll be fine. I made good grades w/o reading a dang thing. I'm definitely not bragging, I'm actually envious, I wish I liked reading but I just can't seem to stay awake for certain materials. My other tip is, the final project when you're caring for your own LTC resident, DON'T PROCRASTINATE. I remember seeing tttt walk into class the day it was due and I couldn't help but crack up, YOU WERE A MESS, LOL. I, too, stayed up the whole night before and got done only 45 minutes before I had to leave the house. Never again. The third thing is, learn to accept that B's are good and to expect C's. A's aren't necessary. We're in the program now, no need to be in the competitive mindset of making perfect grades. I'm still working on trying to accept this fact myself.

I'm looking forward to coming here to see how you guys are doing and to help out with any questions. Good luck and have fun! =)

:grpwlcm: DollB!!! It's really great to see former students on this site. It gives me a little glimmer of hope for those crazy days that I know will be up ahead haha Thanks for the tips! I think I just have to play around with the way I study for the classes. I'm beginning to see which classes actually discuss the readings and which do not. Are you a J2 or S1 if you don't mind me asking?

My other tip is, the final project when you're caring for your own LTC resident, DON'T PROCRASTINATE. I remember seeing tttt walk into class the day it was due and I couldn't help but crack up, YOU WERE A MESS, LOL. I, too, stayed up the whole night before and got done only 45 minutes before I had to leave the house. Never again.

excuse me. i was NOT a mess that day. i may have not attended class and completed the project a couple hours after she first said it was due but it was done and it was awesome. and i looked great.

glad you joined :)

excuse me. i was NOT a mess that day. i may have not attended class and completed the project a couple hours after she first said it was due but it was done and it was awesome. and i looked great.

glad you joined :)

Hahaha.

Thanks for the welcome and I'm a JR2 =).

Ok, So I am looking at ASU's Nursing pre-reqs and it's a long laundry list of about 16 classes? ... is that correct, because usually the pre-reqs for nursing programs consist of only ANP I&II, Chemistry, Nutrition, Psych, Sociology, and microbiology.

Ok, So I am looking at ASU's Nursing pre-reqs and it's a long laundry list of about 16 classes? ... is that correct, because usually the pre-reqs for nursing programs consist of only ANP I&II, Chemistry, Nutrition, Psych, Sociology, and microbiology.

What school were you looking at? The community college programs (i.e. Associates RN) have just a handful of prereqs, but not Nutrition or Sociology if I remember correct. ASU's is pretty much 4 full semesters before getting in to the Nursing program.

Ok, So I am looking at ASU's Nursing pre-reqs and it's a long laundry list of about 16 classes? ... is that correct, because usually the pre-reqs for nursing programs consist of only ANP I&II, Chemistry, Nutrition, Psych, Sociology, and microbiology.

Yea the community colleges have only 6 or so pre recs, because its an associate degree when you finish the program, but those have about a year and a half wait list once you complete the pre recs. ASU has 2 years of pre recs because its a bachelor degree pogram so its 4 years total, but it's difficult to get in to. Hope this helps! :)