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Arghh, am I the only one is tired of systematic cheating

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catsmeow1972, BSN, RN

Specializes in OR. Has 15 years experience.

When I took ACLS for the first time, many, many moons ago, it was through the VA. They took the whole 2 days, went through the whole mega code with people switching out roles, etc. Quite nice and I learned A LOT. A few years later, I took PALS because I was starting an ER job. The individual teaching it, I kid you not simply said "its just like ACLS with smaller patients." Oh my, it most certainly is not!!! I was appalled. He skipped the videos and ambled through the code as a group and were out the door in about an hour. Just fixing to take on pediatric patients, I felt very ill prepared for it. I actually paid out of pocket to take it again at the local tech school.

So yes, fraud does exist in it. I think the downhill slide started when it became such that nobody leaves the class without passing, to the point where you will be coached until you do pass it. That being said, I also prefer a faster class, but the material still needs to be covered.

dmbrown84

Has 4 years experience.

I have not experienced this as a nurse. The last few times I've taken it was at the VA and they are very thorough. I always felt confident in my abilities afterwards. But if I flashback to when I was a teenager taking the lifeguard certification course, which includes first aid & CPR, there most certainly was cheating going on. Our course lasted a couple weeks, I think, this was over 15 years ago, and when it came time to take the exam, the instructor was giving people answers during the exam and I was shocked! How is anyone supposed to be competent enough to save a life if someone is giving out answers to the certifying exam?!

llg, PhD, RN

Specializes in Nursing Professional Development. Has 43 years experience.

I'm not sure how I'm complaining about my own behavior ...I'm simply describing it and what led up to it. And although my situation was somewhat subtle and completely unexpected, I've also heard of people very directly selling CPR renewal cards.

What I meant was ... that YOU cheated on your CPR renewal. Yes, the instructor led you to cheat ... but YOU cheated by accepting and turning in a card that you knew was a fraud -- and not reporting the problem. Then you come here and complain about the cheaters when you are guilty of the very type of thing you are complaining about.

Back in 1984, I was a CPR instructor as part of my job as a unit educator. The Director of that unit wanted me to give CPR cards to her favorite staff members who didn't want to take the renewal class. I refused and reported the situation to the head of the education department. When I didn't get a lot of support there, I found another job because I would not participate in cheating.

We don't have to participate in cheating. We can choose not to go along with it and report it. You chose to go along with it and not report it. That makes you part of the problem and not part of the solution.

FolksBtrippin, BSN, RN

Specializes in Psychiatry, Pediatrics, Public Health.

It happens. I enrolled in a last-minute BLS renewal class once upon a time. Then, I got a call saying that the class was cancelled but the instructor would "run through" it with me if I stopped by her near-by apartment. I was over-due and desperate, so I headed over. I paid her the money and she gave me the card explaining that she was "really busy". I guess I could have refused and reported her, but I took the card I needed for work the next day and I left.

Wow!!!! I don't blame you but I do blame her.

Sour Lemon

Has 9 years experience.

What I meant was ... that YOU cheated on your CPR renewal. Yes, the instructor led you to cheat ... but YOU cheated by accepting and turning in a card that you knew was a fraud -- and not reporting the problem. Then you come here and complain about the cheaters when you are guilty of the very type of thing you are complaining about.

I am NOT COMPLAINING about myself or anyone else. I'm describing a situation and informing others that things like this DO actually happen. The first several responders seemed to believe that the OP was dreaming up an impossible situation. I'm not sure how much more clear I can make it.

llg, PhD, RN

Specializes in Nursing Professional Development. Has 43 years experience.

I am NOT COMPLAINING about myself or anyone else. I'm describing a situation and informing others that things like this DO actually happen. The first several responders seemed to believe that the OP was dreaming up an impossible situation. I'm not sure how much more clear I can make it.

I think I may have mis-understood your intent ... the OP was complaining about cheaters and I thought you were joining her in her complaint. If you weren't complaining about cheating, then I apologize. I thought you were joining the OP in complaining about cheating.

Sour Lemon

Has 9 years experience.

I think I may have mis-understood your intent ... the OP was complaining about cheaters and I thought you were joining her in her complaint. If you weren't complaining about cheating, then I apologize. I thought you were joining the OP in complaining about cheating.

OK, I see what you're saying now ....it seemed like I was complaining about the instructor and ignoring my own behavior? That would be pretty outlandish and irritating. I honestly had no idea where the "complaint" idea was coming from. My intent was simply to validate what the OP was saying because people didn't seem to believe that it was possible.

Alex_RN, BSN

Has 5 years experience.

Well...at my facility, we regularly get thick packets of info with an attached quiz. Typically someone will fill out an answer sheet and everyone will make a copy or copy it down. I always intend to read the packet later but almost never get around to it.

llg, PhD, RN

Specializes in Nursing Professional Development. Has 43 years experience.

OK, I see what you're saying now ....it seemed like I was complaining about the instructor and ignoring my own behavior? That would be pretty outlandish and irritating. I honestly had no idea where the "complaint" idea was coming from. My intent was simply to validate what the OP was saying because people didn't seem to believe that it was possible.

Thanks, Sour Lemon. I am happy to see that we can "play nice" with each other. I have seen your posts on other threads and usually agree with you. I didn't want to get into a fight with you. Thanks for remaining open and understanding.

:yes:

llg

Sour Lemon

Has 9 years experience.

Thanks, Sour Lemon. I am happy to see that we can "play nice" with each other. I have seen your posts on other threads and usually agree with you. I didn't want to get into a fight with you. Thanks for remaining open and understanding.

:yes:

llg

Same here! I can be quite direct, but I disagree with "things", not people. Very rarely is anything personal, for me. I'm not much of a fighter, although I'm well aware that I'm sometimes perceived as one. :p

MikeyT-c-IV

Specializes in Vascular Access. Has 13 years experience.

I have heard of instructors that will hand out the ACLS card for payment. Sorry, I'd rather renew it at work for free.

Then maybe you should turn in your BLS card to your employer and tell them what happened if you feel so horribly. You were an active participant.

Sour Lemon

Has 9 years experience.

Then maybe you should turn in your BLS card to your employer and tell them what happened if you feel so horribly. You were an active participant.

If you use the quote button in the bottom right corner, people will know (for sure) who you're responding to. But if you're responding to me, my situation happened about six years ago and I've had several renewals since then. I also don't feel "horribly".

Emergent, RN

Has 27 years experience.

I haven't seen cheating, except in stupid ones like annual HIPAA renewal, disaster preparedness, how to suck up to patients and their families, all the online, repetitive crap we get over and over these days that doesn't affect our day to day jobs. Then, people will exchange answers at the nurses station openly.

I'm disappointed to hear people are cheating on the important stuff like ACLS.