Hello,everyone. I was told by a classmate that she head that there is a website that was started by a nursing instructor. I guess the website is looking for those nursing students who completed their nursing program and were never told from the beginning about the HESI exam.
Rumors has it that this website has these students setting up a protest date, time, and place.
I really would like for anyone to let me know if they know the website or where and when they will be rallying. I would like to join in the protest.
Its about time that schools stop abusing these students because of HESI. Its about helping the students. HESI is only a probability exam.
Thanks, everyone. It has been very difficult, I don't feel that the exam itself was at fault. Their were many variables. My classmate, my friend worked so hard to save money for college. She worked from 10 at night to 4 in the morning six days a week washing pots and pans at a fancy restaurant. She would take buses and or trains to get to work and school. She walked her children to and from school. She was a good christian woman.
I alongside with all of my classmates blame our Nursing school. Our instructors humilated us. Very destructive comments, the falsification of our grades. Racial connotations. Our nursing instructors consistently provided a hostile environment. Verbal abuse after verbal abuse. The Vice chancellor did not care. She listened to her faculty. The vice chancellor along with faculty ostersized the students who did not pass HESI.
Like, I said before. We did not know about HESI until about 12 weeks before graduation. We were not told about what the passing score was and if we did not pass it, that we would not graduate ,until two weeks prior to graduation. The instructors made sure we paid for the nursing pins, hats, and uniform and graduation registration. That seemed more important to them than the test.
I really think the real reason the vice chancellor set up this HESI exit exam is because she knew that the instructors were not teaching correctly. We filed a grievance against one teacher, she kept changing the syllabus, couldn't answer our questions, and worst of all... wouldn't tell us our test results were. Therefore, in order to save the vice chancellor and her employees butt, she implemented the HESI exam. The vice chancellor was aware about the state requirements for NCLEX and that they do not look at the attrition rate. The state does not look at the fact that 97% of the students who completed the nursing program did not pass a HESI exit test. So were are those students now? Well, most will repeat second year for 9000.00, others got an attorney. One, killed herself because she had no money left and couldn't bear the humilation she endured throughout the program and the sudden implementation, and failure of HESI. The instrucots not being able to stand up to the vice chancellor in fear of losing their jobs. My classmates are NOT getting any help. They feel lost. I don't blame them. The exam was never stated in our handbook, we were never told we had any areas of weakness that need strengthening, if so why did we matriculate onto the next course?
HESI is a probability exam. NCLEX RN adapts to your ability, HESI does not. HESI company states that faculty must be held accountable for what they teach.
To ostersized the students who completed the program based on a probability test is NOT very professional. More like childish behavior.
What happens with their nursing courses, which is NOT transferrable?
I blame the faculty and more so the Vice Chancellor for their selfish acts. I shame on the faculty for being cowards. My classmates deserve much more. They have worked so hard and sacrficed so much for the program and their children. This is the return they get? I always know that the vice chancellor has a list of names who she feels would fail the second year. I was told the vice chancellor has alot of collegiate networks and that she has a list of the trouble making students. Well, we were NEVER troublemakers. We never had to be placed on discipline. I am sure our instructors have a long paper trail of greivances filed by former students. Let that speak for itself.
So, now the vice chancellor is making a list and handing them out to other nursing programs. Who they should accept or not accept. Make sure you do your homework. Don't always take the vice chancellors side. Learn about KARMA.
I agree that my classmate had other choices, and it was very selfish for her to leave her children.
I also know that based on psych. "only you know the amount of pain you can handle."
Failing HESI as described by classmates as, "I feel my heart was ripped out of me." "I lost my future," "I feel stupid, and lost." My classmates, after the test, were throwing up in the bathroom. Some were screaming so loud, as if someone they loved had just died.
I heard a few classmates went down to Springfield, Illinois to talk. I am not sure how that turned out. I hope they can help them out. This is absolutely ridiculous. It it NOT fair to hold a student who successfully completed the nursing program based on probability test and its ranking score. Springfield requires that you can take NCLEX up to 12 times within three years. I hate to imply, but its possible that since the vice chancellor repeatdly has told us that "she knows alot of people, and that we can do her no harm."
I take care of 8 patients, its hard out here. I am not the only newbie here. A few nurses have taken the HESI exit exam but it was never used against their graduation. Why is it that schools differ in that?
What about the nurses who never heard of HESI and or took HESI? Does that mean that they are incompetent as nurses? No. Why? Because its not a competency test... its a probability test. I dare the vice chancellor to tell the nurses who have dedicated themselves to nursing for over 20 years that HESI determines if the student will be a safe and effective nurse. The nurses here will tell you, its not the HESI test, its experience and integreaty. Integreal? Thats a laugh. Thats something the school or the vice chancellor has.
All I can say is, I am frustrated. I hope that everyone believes in KARMA. Someone needs to step up to the plate and do something about these ridiculous, selfish acts.
In the same note, I want to thank you for all those great instructors. I am aware that you guys are out there and that being a nurse and teacher is your passion. There is always good and evil in this world.
If by chance, you get an application from one of my classmates, please don't believe the nursing program. Believe in my classmates.
We needed someone to believe in us, some validation, and most of all please teach us. We were so hungry to learn. Instead, the instructors had other agendas such as competing for higher up position that they forgot about us. We were in their way. We just wanted to learn.
I lost my classmate, who I will NEVER see because my instructors had their own agendas, because the vice chancellor had vanity issues. What about the students???? What about the students' families????
They earned their degree and they have the right to sit for boards!
I am so very hurt. I am in pain. Where are the morals, the principles?
I just read what happened to your friend. I sit here with tears streaming down my face. I know exactlly how it feels to feel you have lost everything due to that stupid HESI. I actually ,for just a second ,thought about the same thing, but I thought about my family. However, even though I did not take my life, I feel as though my life has been taken. I am so sorry and I dont even know what to say. There are no words. God bless you all!!! Seek comfort in him.
This exam is based on what you were taught during the semester. You should be able to pass this exam. If you can't they give you a chance to study and retake the exam. At least they do in our schools in Maryland. It is no use going on if you don't have a handle on the materials you were already exposed to. Each semester's skills and tests are built on the previous and once you are behind it is very hard to catch up. If taking test scares you, then I wouldn't sign up for nursing. You never get finished learning in Nursing. School is only the 1st step. So, If you are looking forward to being FINISHED, don't get into nursing.Maybe these students should band together and file a class action suit. There are usually many lawyers out there who would love to take a case like this. The family of the girl who killed herself could file a wrongfull death suit against the school, instructors etc. ....... I have been in nursing 16 years and yes I took a probability test before graduating from school in 1992.
Who are you to judge what is happening in nursing schools today!! You have no Ideal, what you are talking about!!! I am a 3.9 International honor society student. Its not just the test, its that we werent told about it untill the last minute and were doing five million other things. Have you taken a HESI? Try it, even Kaplain will tell you they are poorly worded crazy questions. NCLEX is what is suppose to determine my ability to be a good nurse ,not HESI. HESI is what schools have gone to because THEY failed to update their teachings. Its easy to judge people when you havent walked in their shoes. And yea it is suppose to be based on what we learned in the semester but guess what its not, at least at my school it wasnt. I can whip through any NCLEX practice test and miss maybe one, in addition everyone I know that has past NCLEX told me it was nothing like HESI but like Kaplain. I am sure you have some reason for your judgement of others ,it must be awesome to have it all figured out. I am sure your a very compassionate nurse or Teacher?
My daughter just graduated and yes I helped her study and yes she took the HEIS. I also took a test before graduating which stated the probability of passing. No doubt the same test only it was in the "TEST" phase. It is apparent you are very emotional about this subject, so with that in mind, I'll just let it go......wish you the best and may you pass the next time you take the test. Again, maybe everyone should file a class action suit. It won't bring your friend back, but it may help someone else. I may have been out of school for 16 years, but not out of the loop.....
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OK I took both HESI and NCLEX and our school had the same drama that all of yours are having. Here is what I came up with NCLEX was a freakin JOKE compared to HESI!!!!! I did very well on HESI but most of my class has taken both and agrees, HESI was a much different and much WORSE. I think that the schools use HESI to weed out the students that may not pass NCLEX so that their school does not look bad in the stats that the state boards put out. Plus the schools lose money and possibly accredidation when their students don't pass NCLEX by certain percent the first time.
Oh and if you don't think nursing school could drive a person to suicide, then reserch the internet about depression and suicide rates among nursing students. It's not that far fetched! Try thinking that in 3 months you will finally be able to feed your children (because lord knows the government wont help you unless you are illegal and have 9 kids), kids that you raise alone, and then having the chance yanked out from under you by a stupid exit test that was sprung on you last minute, when if given the chance you would most likely pass NCLEX and be a nurse. I had the wonderful fortune of not having that situation and don't even know what I would have done if I was in it (considering nursing school seriously damaged my psychological integrity as it was).
We dont get to retake the test or graduate. We have to retake classes we allready made A's in. Glad it worked out for your daughter, she obviously knew what the expectations of her school were. Imagine finding out at the beginning of your last semester, and having to take HESI while you are taking three other nursing courses. In addition to that your told no pass, no graduate. No stress there right? At least if you know its a requirement going into it you have time to prepare.
As far as your exit exam if it was a NLN I took one of those, missed 12 out of 280 questions.
There are many ,many, schools administering this test in a very inappropriate way. I called HESI and even they do not agree with how this test was administered.
No hard feelings intended, I just think everyone's experience has been different some knew it was coming and had time to prepare, and some were hit with it at the last minute and were treatedly very, very badly in the process. For others if they didnt pass, they still graduated but just cant take boards untill they pass HESI.
So whats fair? Who's right?
How many people out there today would not be a nurse if they had to pass HESI. I know of five students last year who took it and bombed it, but easily passed NCLEX. Luckly for them, last year they werent required to pass it to graduate or they would not be nurses today! The director of nursing (where I started working as an LVN )took it just as an experiment guess what? Failed it.
All I am saying is we shouldnt judge each other and say "if you cant take test dont enroll in nursing." We have all obviously passed many, many test or we would not be taking an EXIT exam.
Oh and if you don't think nursing school could drive a person to suicide, then reserch the internet about depression and suicide rates among nursing students.
I'd be interested in reading about that subject, Courtney. Could you please provide a few links to relevant articles? I couldn't find anything.
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The bulk of this thread is just so, SO sad. I'm so sorry.
I just wanted to weigh in with a good HESI experience. My school uses the HESI as a reteaching tool. We take specific HESI exams after each unit so the instructors know if we, as a class, need remedial help any specific area(s). (For example, if we all get HESI questions wrong regarding s/sx of hyponatremia the instructors know they need to review that content.) Plus, afterward we get to go through after the test and relearn specific topics on our own.
Test scores are not tied to graduation. If we get a minimum score (usually 850) in a content area, we get extra credit in that course (so far between 5 and 20 points).
I just wanted to let everyone know that, used correctly (and with fantastic instructors), the HESI can be an effective teaching tool.
The bulk of this thread is just so, SO sad. I'm so sorry.
I just wanted to weigh in with a good HESI experience. My school uses the HESI as a reteaching tool. We take specific HESI exams after each unit so the instructors know if we, as a class, need remedial help any specific area(s). (For example, if we all get HESI questions wrong regarding s/sx of hyponatremia the instructors know they need to review that content.) Plus, afterward we get to go through after the test and relearn specific topics on our own.
Test scores are not tied to graduation. If we get a minimum score (usually 850) in a content area, we get extra credit in that course (so far between 5 and 20 points).
I just wanted to let everyone know that, used correctly (and with fantastic instructors), the HESI can be an effective teaching tool.
This is how HESI should be implemented everywhere, not just how they want to. My school could care less about remediation or helping us understand a question majority of the class missed. They rather tell you that the answer is right and that's that. We have some poor excuses for teachers they rather get a paycheck than stand up for what's right and what they believe in. We as students have to suffer for poor staff, why don't the faculty at nursing schools have to take tests to keep their jobs like in the lower level schools. Why is it that the faculty get off easy while the students suffer? :angryfire
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Thanks, everyone. It has been very difficult, I don't feel that the exam itself was at fault. Their were many variables. My classmate, my friend worked so hard to save money for college. She worked from 10 at night to 4 in the morning six days a week washing pots and pans at a fancy restaurant. She would take buses and or trains to get to work and school. She walked her children to and from school. She was a good christian woman.
I alongside with all of my classmates blame our Nursing school. Our instructors humilated us. Very destructive comments, the falsification of our grades. Racial connotations. Our nursing instructors consistently provided a hostile environment. Verbal abuse after verbal abuse. The Vice chancellor did not care. She listened to her faculty. The vice chancellor along with faculty ostersized the students who did not pass HESI.
Like, I said before. We did not know about HESI until about 12 weeks before graduation. We were not told about what the passing score was and if we did not pass it, that we would not graduate ,until two weeks prior to graduation. The instructors made sure we paid for the nursing pins, hats, and uniform and graduation registration. That seemed more important to them than the test.
I really think the real reason the vice chancellor set up this HESI exit exam is because she knew that the instructors were not teaching correctly. We filed a grievance against one teacher, she kept changing the syllabus, couldn't answer our questions, and worst of all... wouldn't tell us our test results were. Therefore, in order to save the vice chancellor and her employees butt, she implemented the HESI exam. The vice chancellor was aware about the state requirements for NCLEX and that they do not look at the attrition rate. The state does not look at the fact that 97% of the students who completed the nursing program did not pass a HESI exit test. So were are those students now? Well, most will repeat second year for 9000.00, others got an attorney. One, killed herself because she had no money left and couldn't bear the humilation she endured throughout the program and the sudden implementation, and failure of HESI. The instrucots not being able to stand up to the vice chancellor in fear of losing their jobs. My classmates are NOT getting any help. They feel lost. I don't blame them. The exam was never stated in our handbook, we were never told we had any areas of weakness that need strengthening, if so why did we matriculate onto the next course?
HESI is a probability exam. NCLEX RN adapts to your ability, HESI does not. HESI company states that faculty must be held accountable for what they teach.
To ostersized the students who completed the program based on a probability test is NOT very professional. More like childish behavior.
What happens with their nursing courses, which is NOT transferrable?
I blame the faculty and more so the Vice Chancellor for their selfish acts. I shame on the faculty for being cowards. My classmates deserve much more. They have worked so hard and sacrficed so much for the program and their children. This is the return they get? I always know that the vice chancellor has a list of names who she feels would fail the second year. I was told the vice chancellor has alot of collegiate networks and that she has a list of the trouble making students. Well, we were NEVER troublemakers. We never had to be placed on discipline. I am sure our instructors have a long paper trail of greivances filed by former students. Let that speak for itself.
So, now the vice chancellor is making a list and handing them out to other nursing programs. Who they should accept or not accept. Make sure you do your homework. Don't always take the vice chancellors side. Learn about KARMA.
I agree that my classmate had other choices, and it was very selfish for her to leave her children.
I also know that based on psych. "only you know the amount of pain you can handle."
Failing HESI as described by classmates as, "I feel my heart was ripped out of me." "I lost my future," "I feel stupid, and lost." My classmates, after the test, were throwing up in the bathroom. Some were screaming so loud, as if someone they loved had just died.
I heard a few classmates went down to Springfield, Illinois to talk. I am not sure how that turned out. I hope they can help them out. This is absolutely ridiculous. It it NOT fair to hold a student who successfully completed the nursing program based on probability test and its ranking score. Springfield requires that you can take NCLEX up to 12 times within three years. I hate to imply, but its possible that since the vice chancellor repeatdly has told us that "she knows alot of people, and that we can do her no harm."
I take care of 8 patients, its hard out here. I am not the only newbie here. A few nurses have taken the HESI exit exam but it was never used against their graduation. Why is it that schools differ in that?
What about the nurses who never heard of HESI and or took HESI? Does that mean that they are incompetent as nurses? No. Why? Because its not a competency test... its a probability test. I dare the vice chancellor to tell the nurses who have dedicated themselves to nursing for over 20 years that HESI determines if the student will be a safe and effective nurse. The nurses here will tell you, its not the HESI test, its experience and integreaty. Integreal? Thats a laugh. Thats something the school or the vice chancellor has.
All I can say is, I am frustrated. I hope that everyone believes in KARMA. Someone needs to step up to the plate and do something about these ridiculous, selfish acts.
In the same note, I want to thank you for all those great instructors. I am aware that you guys are out there and that being a nurse and teacher is your passion. There is always good and evil in this world.
If by chance, you get an application from one of my classmates, please don't believe the nursing program. Believe in my classmates.
We needed someone to believe in us, some validation, and most of all please teach us. We were so hungry to learn. Instead, the instructors had other agendas such as competing for higher up position that they forgot about us. We were in their way. We just wanted to learn.
I lost my classmate, who I will NEVER see because my instructors had their own agendas, because the vice chancellor had vanity issues. What about the students???? What about the students' families????
They earned their degree and they have the right to sit for boards!
I am so very hurt. I am in pain. Where are the morals, the principles?