Any ADN-BSN programs without ridiculous papers?

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Taking my 1st ADN-BSN class. Thinking of dropping it with only 1 week left.

1st class and already a 6 to 8 page paper. A concept analysis of 1 of the following 4 words: Caring, Hope, Trust, or Fear.

This is absolutely ridiculous. I have absolutely no idea what to say.

The structure of these programs MUST change.

I don't want to write papers every 5 weeks. I want to read a book and take a test.

Specializes in ER trauma, ICU - trauma, neuro surgical.

When you are getting your NP, you have to be taught within the nursing theory model. But, they really end up teaching you the medical model because you are preparing to be a healthcare provider in the real world. I think nurses would be able to take over as the primary healthcare provider if they didn't have to spend so much time on Jean Watson. Sometimes, I wonder if this is the reason why a bedside nurse can talk all day about process analysis of caring and sharing, but doesn't have one clue how to care for a septic pt. Nursing theory should be more of a class or two and call it a day.

A huge portion of nursing is actually medically driven. This has become more prevalent over years as nurses absorb the roles that the physicians used to possess. We are doing more invasive procedures, becoming more involved in the direction of treatment, and becoming the first line of defense for a pt that is crashing. Our responsibilities have grown enormously and so has our autonomy. And, if it weren't for nurses, there would be so many things missed or even ordered with gross contraindications. That safety net is there because we are medically trained. The more, the better. Then, you have to learn about Jean Watson or some off the wall belief theory b/c we had to build some type of our own world that can't exactly resemble medicine. I hear people talk about how nursing isn't respected. I think it is, but I think a lot of it has to do with nursing theory and the flimsy articles. You can look at any paramedic forum, EMT forum, PA forum, physician forum, and there are always people making fun of nursing theory. If someone compares a PA and a NP, there's always the discussing of the PA being medically driven and the NP being medically driven under the guise of nursing theory. I asked a pharmacist (who has all types of subscriptions to journals) if she subscribes to any nursing journals. She laughed. I cringed when I had write my 25 page paper on a nursing theory. Almost all the references read the same. There wasn't anything mind blowing. Just pages and pages of endless vagueness. I just looked at it as a loop I had to jump through and then the rest was really good stuff....like managerial processes, cost analysis, how to write scholarly papers, ethics, implementation strategies for the floor, etc. For me, nothing beats a doctor saying "You saved that guy's life. Nice catch." My actions already show that I care...I don't have write a 25 paper page about it.

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Specializes in Certified Med/Surg tele, and other stuff.

As someone who was up until 1 am to finish a paper last night and it's only in rough draft form, I have to say they do suck. However, I know the next 14 months of my life will be paper writing, power points and group projects. However, I have wanted my BSN for years and I'm not going to let tedious paper writing deter me.

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"Sometimes, I wonder if this is the reason why a bedside nurse can talk all day about process analysis of caring and sharing, but doesn't have one clue how to care for a septic pt. Nursing theory should be more of a class or two and call it a day." -HodgieRN

Funny you should say this. I once had an instructor tell me that I'll never need to know that kind of stuff when I asked her a heavy patho question when I was in ICU my last semester.

I also think that lots of nurses consider RN PA route to get access to the other side. Not like a PA is too heavy, but I've heard it's orgasmic not to have to wade through the fog that is nursing edu. Just the facts Jack!

And I agree Hodgie, no nursing journals for me either.......>circular file.

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On another thread someone with an RN who has a BS in another subject is incensed that although he/she has not completed all the nursing coursework for a BSN the nursing schools require the nursing coursework to be completed and apparently require repetition of some general education courses previously taken.

When I graduated from my ADN program 19 years ago the writing was on the wall that eventually the BSN would be more widely required. We were told this in my ADN program. Moving to BSN has been in the pipeline for a long time. After my ADN program I bridged into a BSN program. Since I completed my BSN the cost of tuition has increased dramatically. I understand anyone with an ADN feeling resentful that a BSN is more generally required by employers today, and I understand resentment at the cost of tuition. But when I hear the argument (as I have heard someone on another thread make) that because they already have a BS etc. in another subject and are already an RN, they should somehow not be required to take even the RN-BSN nursing courses, or a course such as statistics if they have never taken college statistics, then I wonder at the sense of entitlement that some people have. I also wonder when I hear people complain that they have to take, for example, another health assessment course; their argument is that they are already an RN and working, and therefore can't be expected to learn anything more about assessments.

I hear some people complaining about what a scam RN-BSN is and how they are learning nothing/learned nothing in their RN-BSN program. No doubt there are some poor quality programs, and yes, the cost of tuition has increased dramatically since I was in college. But whether there is a scam taking place or not, either you determine it is in your interest to get a BSN or not. Then you decide whether to do it or not and accept the consequences either way: Financial, career, whatever. You have the liberty to investigate the quality of RN-BSN programs before you sign up. No-one forces you to shell out a lot of money for a poor quality program.

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Specializes in ICU + Infection Prevention.

The only nursing journal I read is American Journal of Critical Care, but honestly I threw the last one straight in the trash. Give me the NEJM, Lancet, Wilderness & Environmental Medicine and the Journal of Critical Care. I need to get my hands on the AACNs Advanced Critical Care Journal.

When you are getting your NP, you have to be taught within the nursing theory model. But, they really end up teaching you the medical model because you are preparing to be a healthcare provider in the real world. I think nurses would be able to take over as the primary healthcare provider if they didn't have to spend so much time on Jean Watson. Sometimes, I wonder if this is the reason why a bedside nurse can talk all day about process analysis of caring and sharing, but doesn't have one clue how to care for a septic pt. Nursing theory should be more of a class or two and call it a day.

A huge portion of nursing is actually medically driven. This has become more prevalent over years as nurses absorb the roles that the physicians used to possess. We are doing more invasive procedures, becoming more involved in the direction of treatment, and becoming the first line of defense for a pt that is crashing. Our responsibilities have grown enormously and so has our autonomy. And, if it weren't for nurses, there would be so many things missed or even ordered with gross contraindications. That safety net is there because we are medically trained. The more, the better. Then, you have to learn about Jean Watson or some off the wall belief theory b/c we had to build some type of our own world that can't exactly resemble medicine. I hear people talk about how nursing isn't respected. I think it is, but I think a lot of it has to do with nursing theory and the flimsy articles. You can look at any paramedic forum, EMT forum, PA forum, physician forum, and there are always people making fun of nursing theory. If someone compares a PA and a NP, there's always the discussing of the PA being medically driven and the NP being medically driven under the guise of nursing theory. I asked a pharmacist (who has all types of subscriptions to journals) if she subscribes to any nursing journals. She laughed. I cringed when I had write my 25 page paper on a nursing theory. Almost all the references read the same. There wasn't anything mind blowing. Just pages and pages of endless vagueness. I just looked at it as a loop I had to jump through and then the rest was really good stuff....like managerial processes, cost analysis, how to write scholarly papers, ethics, implementation strategies for the floor, etc. For me, nothing beats a doctor saying "You saved that guy's life. Nice catch." My actions already show that I care...I don't have write a 25 paper page about it.

I nominate you to be a new nursing theorist and I would like to subscribe to your newsletter.

Reading Jean Watson's work was the biggest waste of time I ever had in nursing school.

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Specializes in burn ICU, SICU, ER, Trauma Rapid Response.
Maybe where you live a BSN doesn't get you much but in the area that I live there are lots of magnet hospitals which pay great. They do not hire ADN's. And have given their ADN nurses a timeline to get their BSN.

I know that with the plethora of nursing schools popping up some have better curriculum than others. But there are great BSN programs out there.

*** Interesting that in my area Magnet hospitals both hire ADNs and pay the least. One hospital where I work part time will only consider ADN grads for their critical care nurse residency program for those going into the SICU. Tehy don't even consider BSN grads for SICU positions.

I should have worded my statement better. I recognize that people with a certain mentaliety will place a higher value on a fluff degree like BSN and those people are very often in leadership positions in hospitals. I don't disagree that if the only way to get a job is to have a BSN then you should get a BSN. I mean that for my practice, and the practice I observe in my co-workers the BSN isn't worth having.

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Specializes in FNP, ONP.
So then why don't you just go to medical school and avoid such difficult assignments?

^^^^agreed. Go for it. Or nuclear engineering, or join the merchant marines, or become the next great opera tenor. I'm sure those are all going to be far simpler than these arduous, petty Nursing assignments.

Don't want to do it, don't do it. Little do we care. You can spend the rest of your career at "Shady Lawn About to Lose Our Certification Old Folks Home" telling every one who will listen how smart you were not to waste time on that BSN nonsense. The sycophants in the same crappy situation will all nod in collective agreement.

However, you will never convince those of us that know better.

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Specializes in Acute Care Psych, DNP Student.
^^^^agreed. Go for it. Or nuclear engineering, or join the merchant marines, or become the next great opera tenor. I'm sure those are all going to be far simpler than these arduous, petty Nursing assignments.

Don't want to do it, don't do it. Little do we care. You can spend the rest of your career at "Shady Lawn About to Lose Our Certification Old Folks Home" telling every one who will listen how smart you were not to waste time on that BSN nonsense. The sycophants in the same crappy situation will all nod in collective agreement.

However, you will never convince those of us that know better.

I think your nursing education developed writing skills.

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Specializes in burn ICU, SICU, ER, Trauma Rapid Response.
Get used to it. I am in an online ADN-BSN program and find that that vast majority of nursing "research" is self-aggrandizing, inferiority complex ridden, Captain Obvious drivel.

Of course, "more research is needed on this subject."

*** Wow! Hit the nail on the head!

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Specializes in burn ICU, SICU, ER, Trauma Rapid Response.

I would submit that the BSN is quite possibly obsolete. We know that it is not required for good, safe, and competent bedside nursing practice. With the advent of direct RN to MSN programs that can be earned by the RN with an ADN is the same, or only slightly more, time than the RN to BSN programs, and the fact that a very large percentage of ADN students enter their associates RN program already holding BS and MS degrees, what is the purpose of a BSN?

The only purpose I can see for the BSN is for the new high school grad who wants to be a nurse AND wants to have the whole "college experience" at a university, parties and social life included.

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You'd definitely have to gaslight yourself in someway for a rationalization in order to pay for a RN-BSN, It'd be like buying a lemon car, I'd have to say to myself, gawd did I ever get hosed on that car, man. smh.

"Don't want to do it, don't do it. Little do we care. You can spend the rest of your career at "Shady Lawn About to Lose Our Certification Old Folks Home" telling every one who will listen how smart you were not to waste time on that BSN nonsense. The sycophants in the same crappy situation will all nod in collective agreement." -BlueDevil,DNP

OMG!!!!! You are so very highly edu'd in nursing caring crap! How on earth are you able to state that these places exist!!! There must be a nurse or two with a BSN working at these places, IN MANAGEMENT after all! Doesn't a BSN make it impossible for poor nursing care to exist? I thought (low me) that the reason you were supposed to get your BSN was for management expertise! ...oh and extra caring crap, too. But expert something, right?

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Specializes in FNP, ONP.
I think your nursing education developed writing skills.

:writing: chuckle

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