We were discussing the Disneryland measles outbreak at work, and I was appalled to find some of my co-workers refuse to vaccinate their kids. They (grudgingly) receive the vaccines they need to remain employed, but doubt their safety/necessity for their kids.
I must say, I am absolutley stunned. How can one be a nurse and deny science?
As a nurse, you should darn well know what the scientific method entails and what phrases such as "evidence based" and "peer reviewed" mean.
I have to say, I have lost most of my respect for the nurses and mistrust their judgement; after all, if they deny science, on what premise are they basing their practices?
She already said in a reply to one of my posts that she believes it is her job to "educate" her patients against vaccines. Hopefully, someone at her facility has picked up on this and is taking these public comments to the administration at her facility because someone needs to advocate for those patients.
I've gone through a lot of popcorn reading this thread.....and I am not convinced Andi78 is actually a nurse. She continues to evade any questions referring to her education and credentials. Very suspicious...... If she really is nurse, then God help us all....
Every field has its quacks. Every field has its good ones, too. Finding a chiropractor who went to school in a program that taught rehabilitative, therapeutic management of the spine and its associated musculature can be of HUGE benefit to a lot of spine or musculoskeletal conditions. I have a chiropractor who is of a more sports medicine/physical therapy/chronic pain management perspective. I have spondylolisthesis and without regular adjustment, I am hunched over in terrible pain. To say he restores my quality of life and productivity is the understatement of the century. He believes in medicine, he believes in vaccination, and he understands the limitations of his scope of practice. He also acknowledges the nuts in his field.
I saw an episode of Penn & Teller's Bull**** that had bat poop crazy chiropractos and I just cringed. The crazy ones really do destroy the credibility of good ones completely.
The scientific literature outside of chiropractic and alternative med journals basically agree that chiropractic care has little to no effect. To a point chiropractic care is harmless, but there are case reports of strokes caused by chiropractic manipulation and in Australia a chiropractor fractured a 4-month olds neck.
I stand by my claim that chiropractor care has no greater effect than the "placebo effect", but if it makes you feel better even if it is only a placebo effect who cares it is your body and does not effect anyone else.
I said earlier in the thread that I worked for a physical therapist who was not a fan of chiropractic philosophies about how everything to do with the body including diseases came from the spine. And that weekly adjustments could cure you of just about everything.
I have met some chiropractors who don't practice that method and have more training - sports medicine like ixchel mentioned.
There are people locally who take their infants/toddler/children to chiropractors for weekly adjustments. I wouldn't do that.
I went to a chiropractor once when I got a stabbing pain in my upper back right before going to Vietnam on a medical mission (I had a coupon given to me). I was expecting a massage of sorts . . . but he just kind of clicked my back. I was in and out of his office in 5 minutes. It made no difference . . .but then I never went back.
I don't want to blast all chiropractors - I really think there is change going on regarding the idea that it can cure anything.
But . . . . . . as I mentioned before, the local chiropractors' here have "Naturalists" who "prescribe" essential oils that cure everything.
I'm just skeptical about something that cures everything.
Of course, you know marijuana DOES cure everything . . ..
Specializes in Oncology; medical specialty website.
I said earlier in the thread that I worked for a physical therapist who was not a fan of chiropractic philosophies about how everything to do with the body including diseases came from the spine. And that weekly adjustments could cure you of just about everything.
I have met some chiropractors who don't practice that method and have more training - sports medicine like ixchel mentioned.
There are people locally who take their infants/toddler/children to chiropractors for weekly adjustments. I wouldn't do that.
I went to a chiropractor once when I got a stabbing pain in my upper back right before going to Vietnam on a medical mission (I had a coupon given to me). I was expecting a massage of sorts . . . but he just kind of clicked my back. I was in and out of his office in 5 minutes. It made no difference . . .but then I never went back.
I don't want to blast all chiropractors - I really think there is change going on regarding the idea that it can cure anything.
But . . . . . . as I mentioned before, the local chiropractors' here have "Naturalists" who "prescribe" essential oils that cure everything.
I'm just skeptical about something that cures everything.
Of course, you know marijuana DOES cure everything . . ..
Don't let me get started on "Naturopathic Doctors," aka "NDs" and their "prescriptions."
I live in an area with a lot of Amish, and while they are loathe to go to doctors, they will happily go to chiros, NDs, and any other quacktitioner.
Unfortunately OCNRN that's where a lot of this anti-vax attitude is coming from. One local family has three daughters and none are immunized and I like the family. Just disagree - but here in CA it has gotten harder to do the exemption and now there is talk in the capitol about a new law taking away the exemption all together.
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I don't think chiropractors can cure everything, either. But when I had a 'reverse diver's injury', and it hurt so badly that I actually stopped dead in the middle of a sneeze due to the pain, a particular chiropractor was my savior. Whatever it was she did, which included 'cracking' my spine top to bottom, and stretching the spine, it absolutely took away the pain. I'd go twice a week, and within three weeks I was good as new, and never had to take one single pain pill
Okay, I know this belongs on a different thread entirely, but I had to pipe up.
The scientific literature outside of chiropractic and alternative med journals basically agree that chiropractic care has little to no effect. To a point chiropractic care is harmless, but there are case reports of strokes caused by chiropractic manipulation and in Australia a chiropractor fractured a 4-month olds neck.
I stand by my claim that chiropractor care has no greater effect than the "placebo effect", but if it makes you feel better even if it is only a placebo effect who cares it is your body and does not effect anyone else.
When you have spinal fractures that make your L5 literally not attached to S1, and your L5 has slipped about 30-40% forward, you can preach placebo effect from studies all you want. Want to talk acupuncture, too? My acupuncturist relieves my muscle spasms to such a degree that I'm able to live without pain medication. But, placebo, and all that.
My response is snide only because I know how my life was before and after these modalities and I'm thankful for it. You can read pieces that talk placebo and chiropractic philosophy all you want, but until you've experienced anything remotely similar to what I've gone through, it's impossible to understand completely. Not all chiropractors believe all health originates from the spine. The ones who do are nuts. I absolutely agree with that. But to discount completely the rehabilitative properties of spinal adjustment is too large of a generalization to fairly assess the effectiveness of chiropractic care.
Specializes in Oncology; medical specialty website.
Unfortunately OCNRN that's where a lot of this anti-vax attitude is coming from. One local family has three daughters and none are immunized and I like the family. Just disagree - but here in CA it has gotten harder to do the exemption and now there is talk in the capitol about a new law taking away the exemption all together.
I doubt that will happen here. Even though the Amish and Mennonite faiths don't generally have much political involvement, they do have a lot of financial clout.
I can understand a legitimate religious exemption, but some people are just making it up out of thin air. They have no real religious prohibition, they just pretend to so they can get out of the vaccinations.
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I've gone through a lot of popcorn reading this thread.....and I am not convinced Andi78 is actually a nurse. She continues to evade any questions referring to her education and credentials. Very suspicious...... If she really is nurse, then God help us all....