Anti-vax nurses? Are you serious?

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We were discussing the Disneryland measles outbreak at work, and I was appalled to find some of my co-workers refuse to vaccinate their kids. They (grudgingly) receive the vaccines they need to remain employed, but doubt their safety/necessity for their kids.

I must say, I am absolutley stunned. How can one be a nurse and deny science?

As a nurse, you should darn well know what the scientific method entails and what phrases such as "evidence based" and "peer reviewed" mean.

I have to say, I have lost most of my respect for the nurses and mistrust their judgement; after all, if they deny science, on what premise are they basing their practices?

Why would you say something like that in a room full of nurses? People who have college degrees in health sciences? How about instead of saying that people have no clue (which is very inflammatory), post some specific rebuttals to points that have been made? You can't just post a website and say "all my counter-arguments can be found in this material." That isn't how argumentation works (at the university level, anyway).

Because I know most nurses do not know about proper nutrition. Doctors aren't even taught it.

This does not jibe with what most of us learned in school in basic A&P (which is that most of the cells that make up our immune system are located in our lymph nodes and bone marrow) and I am curious as to where this information comes from.

See... Science is always evolving. If this is still your thinking, you are behind the times and haven't read the latest data.

One example that proves this statement false (and that has been mentioned here) is chemotherapy, which specifically inhibits certain kinds of cell growth i.e. the problem.

Chemo is probably one of the worst things you could put into someone. It damages the body and most people end up dying from the chemo itself and not the cancer.

I think you are missing the entire point of participating in an argument. Someone makes a point, you make a counter-point. You can't just say that your argument is correct and the information is "out there". You accuse others of being lazy but this is not how argumentation is done.

I'm not really into arguing a point because I could care less. You all aren't about seeing the other side. You are about cut throat insults. I'm into peace, love, and all that quacky stuff.

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Specializes in OB-Gyn/Primary Care/Ambulatory Leadership.

Andi, please, if you would, explain the discrepency regarding your nursing credentials.

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Specializes in OB-Gyn/Primary Care/Ambulatory Leadership.
Because I know most nurses do not know about proper nutrition. Doctors aren't even taught it.

I completely disagree. How do you "know" this?

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Specializes in OB-Gyn/Primary Care/Ambulatory Leadership.

Chemo is probably one of the worst things you could put into someone. It damages the body and most people end up dying from the chemo itself and not the cancer..

MOST people? Really? Can you back this statement with evidence?

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This does not jibe with what most of us learned in school in basic A&P (which is that most of the cells that make up our immune system are located in our lymph nodes and bone marrow) and I am curious as to where this information comes from.

Is this sciencey enough for you? The immune system lies within the gut. NOT in the lymph nodes. Bone marrow? Really?

Allergy and the gastrointestinal system

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MOST people? Really? Can you back this statement with evidence?

Go find the evidence. Read books. It's out there. Or you can just believe everything you hear or have learned in one class at one time.

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Specializes in OB-Gyn/Primary Care/Ambulatory Leadership.
Just because you change your username does not cancel out your previous posts.

Wait a minute.....she changed her username? You know this how? What was Andi's previous username?

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Wait a minute.....she changed her username? You know this how? What was Andi's previous username?

I didn't change my user name

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Go find the evidence. Read books. It's out there. Or you can just believe everything you hear or have learned in one class at one time.

But that's not how it works. You can't just make a statement and then when asked for evidence, say "Go look it up."

You do realize that I am essentially on YOUR "side" in this debate, right? (in a matter of speaking)

I am perfectly willing to learn and change my mind. But if someone states something that seems specious to most people, I would expect them to be able to back that with evidence (as you did with the immune system statement).

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Specializes in OB-Gyn/Primary Care/Ambulatory Leadership.
Go find the evidence. Read books. It's out there. Or you can just believe everything you hear or have learned in one class at one time.

These studies refute your claim that most people die from chemotherapy:

Mortality within 30 days of chemotherapy: a clinical governance benchmarking issue for oncology patients

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15454247

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Wait a minute.....she changed her username? You know this how? What was Andi's previous username?

If someone is using the app to check post history it will pull up any user name that is similar. So if a name is Bob it will also pull posts from Bobie Bob713 BobYoBob etc. this causes much confusion when people check post history on the app and sometimes on mobile.

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Is this sciencey enough for you? The immune system lies within the gut. NOT in the lymph nodes. Bone marrow? Really?

Allergy and the gastrointestinal system

Have you actually taken A & P? If so, why are you discounting the lymph system and bone marrow with regard to being major players in the immune system?

https://www.aids.gov/hiv-aids-basics/just-diagnosed-with-hiv-aids/hiv-in-your-body/immune-system-101/

Immune System: Diseases, Disorders & Function

Your comment above just provides ammo to those who question your actual knowledge and education.

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