Another Rant About Rudeness/Bullying/Eating

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it's interesting how many posters are quick to jump on the "bullying bandwagon". they want to ban bullying, demand that all bullies be fired immediately, insist that no one ever bring their personal issues to work. the definition of "bully" seems to be rather fluid, though. usually, it seems to mean "anyone who is doing something that i don't like or that makes me uncomfortable." they're often the first to insist upon their right, however, to do things that make other people uncomfortable. but that's not bullying. not to them anyway.

good manners are the grease that makes society run smoothly, including the society of the work place. so perhaps good manners is the anti-bullying. perhaps, then, bullying could be defined as ill manners. unfortunately, some of those who are quickest to take offense and fastest to scream about bullying are those with the worst manners i've ever seen. in fact, based purely on my own personal observations, i'd say that those who are the fastest and loudest to complain about bullying in the workplace are the biggest bullies i've ever seen in my workplace.

there are those who insist it is their absolute right to speak their first language in the common break room, to the exclusion of anyone who might be there who doesn't speak that language. that's rude to those who are excluded . . . and sometimes those people are the very people they're accusing of being rude to them because they failed to acknowledge their "good morning", pointed out their error in drug calculation in front of another person or wouldn't "let" them take charge of a patient. (if you ask me to double-check your insulin and it's wrong, i'll tell you -- before you give it to the patient. and if i fail to acknowledge your "good morning," it could be because i was preoccupied with my own drug calculation, didn't see you because i was cleaning the rain off my glasses, or assumed that you were talking into the cellphone you were holding up to your face.) if half the nurses in the unit are filipino and they refuse to speak english while on break, that's a form of bullying . . . unless they're all taking their breaks downstairs in the cafeteria and not at our seats-six table in our tiny little break room. (before i'm accused of being racist, let me just say that the filipinos i work with are some of the nicest people i know. i recently entered the break room to find four of my filipino colleagues sitting there eating lunch and conversing in english. when i jokingly asked them why they weren't speaking tagalog, they assured me that they speak tagalog together when they're out somewhere, but it would be rude to speak it in the break room because "if you walked in, you wouldn't be able to be included in the conversation.")

those students, pre-nursing students and orientees who are horrified to see that "their nurse" doesn't do things the exact way they learned in school and are anxious to report them to someone -- well, they're budding bullies. why not wait and see why the nurse is doing it that way -- could be it's a better way than what you were taught in school. at the very least, why rush to "report" someone? i'm sure you'd be indignant if someone "reported" you because you didn't do things the exact way they did. you'd have all kinds of arguments marshaled about why your way was just as correct, if not better. and probably you'd be complaining about being "eaten."

the newbie who was horrified that the nurse she was shadowing didn't use gloves for some aspect of patient care and was determined to see that nurse punished -- again, bullying behavior.

the night i was working in our eight-bed ward with five newbies and one other "old dog", the newbies were tittering together in a corner, and would immediately quiet down the minute the other nurse or i approached. i don't know if they were talking about us or not -- but that was rude. one of them then wanted me to drop what i was doing to help her troubleshoot her balloon pump . . . the same balloon pump i'd been troubleshooting off and on all shift while she was off tittering with her peers . . . and when i said i couldn't because i was starting a levophed drip for a patient whose blood pressure was rapidly headed south, told me i wasn't being sufficiently supportive of her growth as a nurse. the other "old dog" told her she obviously hadn't been sufficiently supported in her growth as a polite human being . . . and all three of us were in the manager's office the next morning to explain why us two "old dogs" had been "rude" to poor princess.

increasingly, "bullying" seems to mean "not giving me what i want when i want it". "eating your young" seems to be not giving the new person what they want when they want it.

as a rule, i don't see my older colleagues being rude to the younger ones. the rudeness seems to flow exclusively in the other direction. amazingly, those who are rudest to their older colleagues are the ones who are screaming loudest about not being respected, supported or encouraged at work. i rarely hear complaints from the older nurses about being eaten by the young. they just suck it up and do their best to socialize and orient the newbies into the unit.

about bullying, let me just say that if you look for it, you'll find it, whether or not it actually exists. but these days i'm thinking most of the bullying goes up hill rather than down.

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Excellent post Ruby! Once again I applaud you!!

If I knew you in real life, I'd be sending a bottle of wine your way!

I second that! What kind of wine would you like, Ruby?:heartbeat

Specializes in CCU, SICU, CVSICU, Precepting & Teaching.
seems to me that there is a correlation between those who have been communicating with an electronic device with abbreviations and no in-person contact, and those who scream "bully" when they hear a real human voice....???? just a thought.

makes you wonder, doesn't it?

Specializes in CCU, SICU, CVSICU, Precepting & Teaching.
i second that! what kind of wine would you like, ruby?:heartbeat

merlot, chardonney -- just about anything as long as it comes with good conversation and a ban on texting from the table!

merlot, chardonney -- just about anything as long as it comes with good conversation and a ban on texting from the table!

(updating facebook: having wine and good conversation with ruby)

you were saying? ;)

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Well... Look who this "younger" generation was raised by... YOU. So, you're part of the problem as well.

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Well... Look who this "younger" generation was raised by... YOU. So, you're part of the problem as well.

Whoa! easy tiger........rudeness isn't age based. My children are younger than you and would NEVER text at a table while eating. But I do believe verbal skills are suffering as well as savvy face to face interaction. But I also believe were are losing the written word so I guess I am just a fossil. Manners matter.

Specializes in CCU, SICU, CVSICU, Precepting & Teaching.
well... look who this "younger" generation was raised by... you. so, you're part of the problem as well.

why, what a polite and respectful child. your mother must have raised you ever so well.

Specializes in Med Surg.
Well... Look who this "younger" generation was raised by... YOU. So, you're part of the problem as well.
I do think you make a good point. If this is partially a generation issue, it's only natural that part of the blame must fall on those that raised that generation.

I've had a coworker who was a bully (this was a previous job, not my current one). She was nasty and rude to everyone around her, except management of course. I was the naive one who actually believed if you confronted the problem and then went to management, they would actually do something about it. I was wrong. What I learned from the experience was that if you dare to bring the problem to light, you'll get slapped with the bad guy label. It was perfectly fine for her to treat others badly, but I was in the wrong for daring to question it. Unfortunately what this taught me was to keep my head down and make plans to move on if this scenario arises again.

What Ruby said was true in this case--the bully actually accused ME of bullying her b/c I stood up to her. Even though I had had years of great performance reviews and had a good track record at this company, guess who was believed?

I guess in a strange way, I do need to thank that bully. It was made clear to me I had to get away from that company, so I ended up in nursing school. Who knows if I would have gone down this path had I not had that experience.

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Locolorenzo, it is not only our generation.. I am a 33yr old male and was recently accused of "Bullying" by a 50yr old female with at least 20yrs in the biz.

Its a long story but this person has pretty much screwed everyone over at least three times since she started last Feb and somehow thinks we are all stupid. As I was explaining some of the things she has done like "multiple family emergencies" "Severe Miscommunications" "Blaming everyone but her" and how nobody was going to work her Thanksgiving, she flipped her wig and straight up said "Now your just blaming me" "You are sounding like a Bully" (in a very loud, threatening tone by the way). I made sure there was a witness as I come from the military where harrassment allegations are rampant-- all the same the coversation was quickly ended.

I have a keen respect for my elders however some abuse that respect!

I am not saying you were a bully, but I have seen increased hostile behavior by younger nurses toward older nurses. Some graduate thinking they know everything and cause problems for senior nurses. I worked somewhere where a younger nurse targeted me and it was not fun at all. One minute you're doing your job and thinking things are OK, the next you have someone young enough to be your daughter harassing you and making you feel inept.

I don't tolerate anyone bullying me now.

Specializes in Oncology; medical specialty website.
Well... Look who this "younger" generation was raised by... YOU. So, you're part of the problem as well.

You're an adult. You are responsible for your behavior. Trying to shift the blame elsewhere is an immature response. Time to grow up and "man up." (Or, "woman up," as the case may be.

Well... Look who this "younger" generation was raised by... YOU. So, you're part of the problem as well.

Really? So, it's your mama's fault that you're rude? You should talk to her about that.

When I said she has screwed everyone over at least 3 times, I meant 3times each... Which is why I felt it time to pull out the documentation and show her that people have bent over backwards to accomodate her and to lose the 'tude.

I agree that "texting" and "email" have given the younger generation diminshed communication skills. However I also believe all of the workplace lawsuits and EEOC and employee relations caca has given the deficient nurses something to hide behind. Gone are the days that you can simply tell someone to "Straighten Up" without getting into major trouble yourself.

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