Advised not to use security to "intimidate" agitated individual.

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I am so upset. I need to vent. I had an incident this past week while we were having one of those nightmare evenings in triage. Had parent bring a child in with a high fever so I triaged the child, had him checked in, and got a fever reducer to give the child. The child vomited while being given the med, which made me laugh when everyone in the immediate vicinity got tagged with the vomit. Well, long story short, the parents didn't like me laughing, and expressed it, I apologized and told them that I meant no disrespect, but the parents proceeded to totally blow up and become loud and beligerent, yelling and screaming at everyone in the immediate vicinity. Well, I was rattled, needless to say, and things went from bad to worse. Security was called to come and try and calm things down. The security officer proceeded to wander out to the area, and when I asked him to help me, he replied that he was needed in back. He immediately left, and went to the charge nurse and told her that SHE needed to go out to triage, that HE didn't want to get in the middle of things out there. She came out and tried to talk to the mom, the house supervisor tried to talk to the mom, and no one was able to calm this woman down. She continued to scream and yell and demand to talk to the "highest" she could talk to. I know I didn't handle things right, I got upset and showed it. Not good, but with the waiting room FULL, and people continuing to come in and wanting to see the doctor, what I needed was more rooms, more doctors, and someone to do crowd control. None of which I had. At one point the dad looked at me and called me a "f@#$%&* b@#$%$! When he said that, the charge nurse told me that the dad was not to come back when we finally got a room for the kid. So when time came for the child to go back, I told another security officer that dad was not allowed back because he had been abusive to staff. Course, mom got taken back but threw a fit until they finally agreed to let dad be escorted back by security if he behaved. I know I handled things badly; we were so busy, it was one of those shifts from hell. I didn't allow the dad to go back, then the grandma asked to go back and we were so busy I said no, which was wrong, in hindsight. Ok, so this did turn into a long story, sorry. Now, the reason I am upset, this morning I was called into the office with the manager and the head of the department. I had already told the manager what had happened, and so did the charge nurse. The charge nurse told the manager that she didn't feel that I was inappropriate, and that the mom and dad were way out of line, so the manager wasn't just hitting me with this from the parent's point of view. Anyway, my manager called the mom to get her side of the story; the mom told her that, yes, she behaved inappropriately, but felt like I didn't care about her sick child, (despite the fact that I had obtained a fever reducer, and I had advised her things to do to help bring down the fever) and that she felt intimidated by security being called on them. In questioning the security officer, he told my manager that I was acting inappropriately and probably escalated the situation. (This security officer is well known for being a wimp, when it comes to handling crisis situations, we all know we can't count on him if things go bad) The outcome on this was that my manager told me that I handled the situation wrong, which I agreed, and the head of the department which was also in the meeting, told me that a) I shouldn't have called security to use them as an intimidation tactic, and b) as long as the dad wasn't physically threatening me that I should have just let the dad back, and not called security to come and help intimidate the dad and mom into behaving. I told the director that in hindsight, I would have preferred that the dad be escorted from the building since he was being verbally abusive to me, and I felt threatened by it, but he told me that as long as the dad wasn't physically threatening me, that he wasn't being abusive and I should have just let him back, and allowed him to cuss at me and call me foul names. I feel that, yes, I handled the situation wrong, I know it, but I also feel that to be told that I have to allow people to cuss at me and not be allowed to call security to stand by as an added incentive for people to not get out of control was just too much. I can handle being chastised for behaving badly, I deserved it, but to be told that I had to take abuse from patients and families....I still can't believe it! Oh and by the way, this is one of those hospitals that swear by the Press Gainey so I guess patient satisfaction is more important that making staff feel that they are safe when they work. I would like honest feedback, am I wrong to expect not to allow people to verbally harrass me? Am I wrong to call security to help control crowds by their presence in triage? Oh BTW, there are only two night shift security guards (and a lot of the staff has complained about them), that don't think that it is their job to help with agitated individuals, the rest of them, have no problem making sure the staff feels safe where we work. Thanks for listening to my vent.

Pam :crying2:

Specializes in ER.

I would have called security too, and absolutely think they should have backed you up in not letting the dad go back, unless he had calmed and agreed to behave himself. What is security for if not to help you in that type of situation. If security guy feels he can handle the situation better then he can ask the parents to step OUt of the triage area and take them on himself, and let you and the other patients get on with your lives.

:angryfire Your security man that night sounds like a "real

wimp." I think he must be the same wimp that use to work at the state psychiatric hospital where I use to work. At that job, everytime we called "security" he would get mad at us for not "handling things ourselves" when we had physically assaultive patients attacking us. :angryfire :angryfire . I would definately "write him up."

Specializes in Emergency room, med/surg, UR/CSR.

You all don't know how much I appreciate being able to vent here and get support. Thank you! :kiss I do have to work tonight, but I plan on talking to just the manager first chance I get and telling her how I felt about being told that security is not to be called as an intimidation tactic and that being called names is abusive and as such is not to be tolerated. I WILL handle the situation better the next time, however, if someone is getting verbally abusive to me, they will be asked to calm down, and told that if they do not, they will be escorted from the building. If management wants to fire me for that then let them, but they will have a huge lawsuit on their hands for expecting me to work in an unsafe enviroment. I know that things will probably get worse before they get better, and I know I need to put things in perspective and not let it get out of hand, or take things personally, so that is my goal. Again though, I will not work in an unsafe environment; it isn't fair to me, my coworkers, or my patients. I am going to write that security guard up also. He dropped the ball, and then pushed the blame over to me, and his boss is going to hear about it. Again, thanks for listening.

Pam

Specializes in Nephrology, Cardiology, ER, ICU.

Have a great shift Pam...just curious - what state are you in? judi

Specializes in Emergency.

One word POLICE. Make that two 911 and POLICE. Its surprising how quick they show up to help THEIR nurses in the ER.

Specializes in emergency nursing-ENPC, CATN, CEN.

pam- you were in the right-i had to go to court as a prosecution witness when a husband of one of my patients became verbally abusive to me. security came-explained to him that his behavior would not be tolerated at our hospital-eventually the local police were called and he was cited!! i was scared this nut was going to physically attack me! when people are out of control-they are out of control-and your management needs to support the staff. customer service is important--but staff safety and security should be a number 1 priority. good luck!

anne

Specializes in Community Health Nurse.
pam- you were in the right-i had to go to court as a prosecution witness when a husband of one of my patients became verbally abusive to me. security came-explained to him that his behavior would not be tolerated at our hospital-eventually the local police were called and he was cited!! i was scared this nut was going to physically attack me! when people are out of control-they are out of control-and your management needs to support the staff. customer service is important--but staff safety and security should be a number 1 priority. good luck!

anne

hmm...i had a guy verbally and physically assault me while on duty once. hospital security was called who in turn called the city police who arrested the man at my request for assault. the city prosecutor thought i should take the man to civil court since the man did not have enough money for him to bother with a jury trial. :angryfire i have seven years from the date of the incidence to take the man to civil court. this happened to me in california. i even wrote arnold swarz.......the state governor about it and got no response. i talked to lawyers there and they all told me i had a "valid case for sure", but since there wasn't any money in it for them, they would not take the case. :angryfire i sure as heck don't have the money to take the jerk to civil court! someone told me to write judge judy about the attack.

btw...the man was told by the hospital and the nurse manager that he was not allowed on the hospital premises again...he'd be arrested if he did.

the hospital did everything to protect me, but the state law officials did absolutely nothing! so much for you nurses working in ca! :rolleyes:

You were very right to call security- from your post this man obviously had no problem expressing his anger and it seemed only a matter of time for the situation to become physical especially with the childs whole family there to egg it on.:angryfire Not to mention he was performing for a crowd. In out hospital on nights we have one security guard we call Barney Fife! I doubt he can beat eggs, so we simply call in the police- people cooperate in a hurry. This probably isn't feasible in a big city- you'd have to have the cops station house next to triage.

I'm very sorry you were treated this was- you are a human being, and in times of stress you have two choices: 1. you can laugh and carry on with your day. or 2. you can cry.

You did what is natural and its unfortunate your manager can't see this. Perhaps she needs to get back to basics and work the floor to remember what its like. Keep holding your head up.:)

In my ER, he would have been given the speech that assault against a healthcare worker is a felony, and that we do consider verbal abuse to be assault.

What a great empowerment for us...I wish all states would enact this legislation! Have you found it has made a huge difference in your workplace?

To the OP: I am so sorry you are enduring this...suffering abuse on the job plus lack of support...it is a story 99% here can all relate to I'm sure. This combination is a big part of nurses' burnout and bailing on the field. Its like a cumulative PTSD cycle of abuse and disrespect. :(

I might have laughed or giggled in the same situation too...this can be a natural defuser in a tense moment and I've seen a form of group therapy take place...this was just an angry abusive couple. ER gets the worst of it. :angryfire

I work in ICU, not ER, but I can tell you my manager would NEVER tolerate such treatment of her nurses. I won't repeat all of the above posters, but I totally agree. You are right, they are wrong. Even if you had done something much worse than laugh you should not have received verbal abuse. No one should.

I haven't experienced a situation like this, but I have enormous faith in our security officers and have no doubt that they'd take care of a problem like this. They'd say firmly that the behavior needed to stop, and if it didn't would escort the perpetrators out.

Have you thought about a new job? Two reasons - this incident and the lack of support you received, and your level of burnout and frustration with the staffing and work environment. You sound really unhappy and with ER experience you could go almost anywhere.

What also scares me is that your hospital could really hang you out to dry in something more serious. Say there was an allegation of patient abuse, they'd probably fire you without investigating. I have no illusions that my hospital is a kind and giving entity, but they do make an effort to be fair.

I feel for the poster. I have been involved in similar situations and our security is virtually useless. Management tries to placate the person acting like an ***, instead of defending their employees. My institution is also big on Press Gainey, however only the pts who AREN'T admitted recieve surveys for the ER. So of course they weren't that sick and probably waited a long time because their problems were not urgent. However, the people who are really sick whose lives we save only recieve surveys from the units they are admitted to. I don't feel PG is accurate in the ER.But management doesn't care.

Specializes in ER, ICU, L&D, OR.

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