Advice from someone who hires

After years of hard work, you finally graduate from nursing school and in spite of rosy predictions of a great job market, you're finding it's really hard to find a job. Maybe even worse than finding a spot in nursing school, or harder than passing the NCLEX. I hire employees and I know what goes on on the other side of the application process. Nurses Announcements Archive Article

First, you probably read books about putting a resume together, or even hired someone to polish yours. Those are good steps, but to set yourself apart from the masses, you need to do more. Before you even start writing your resume, talk to your friends, classmates, professors and employers. Ask them what they perceive your strengths to be. Take inventory of ALL your skills and accomplishments. Women in particular have a hard time promoting themselves. Don't be shy. Start an informal list of your achievements. If you won awards, jot that down; if your GPA was high, put a little check mark beside that, did you spend time supervising others? Think hard... this doesn't have to be a job title, just a job responsibility. Compile your resume in the way that best suits your skills. If you're a young new grad without work experience find a resume template that highlights your academic history; ditto for someone with vast work experience.

While you're talking to those professors and employers, ask their permission to use them as a reference. Get their preferred contact information. Don't limit yourself to a few people because you don't want to ask the same people for letters over, and over. (It's flattering to be asked, but time consuming to actually write letters for people. Have a number of references you can rotate through as needed.) And, of course, don't have them contacted by prospective employers until the end of the hiring process.

Now, decide what kind of job you want. There are thousands of people out there who apply for every job they find. You may feel anxious, but casting your net too far and wide won't bring many calls for interviews. There is a reason for this, which I'll explain later. Be realistic in your expectations. You probably have a sense for what jobs are most desirable and where competition is intense (Labor & Delivery, peds, etc.) If this is your goal, it'll be even harder to land your dream job. Not to say those jobs are impossible to find as a new grad, but there are many others applying for them. If your ultimate goal is a job with lots of competition, find another way in: if you want to work in a NICU, maybe start at a Children's Hospital working with more difficult patients. Once you figure out where you want to be, concentrate your efforts to those jobs. Write your resume with that in mind. Using the peds example, focus your resume on your experience with kids; your peds rotation, and any other experience you have that shows you're interested in children.

Now, scour the ads, but don't limit yourself to posted or advertised jobs. Talk to everyone you know, tell them what you're looking for and ask if they have any leads. When you do hear of a possibility, focus on that one job as you write your cover letter. Talk about why you fit into THAT organization, talk about their mission, their organizational structure and why you want to work THERE. (You can find organization's mission statements on their websites and learn other details about them, too.) So, your letter reads something like, "I share Washington Hospital's committment to serving the underserved memebers of the community..." Then talk briefly about your volunteer experience giving flu shots to uninsured patients through your church's medical efforts. You want to make sure you set yourself apart from the other applicants. Your cover letter should be less than one page of easy to read text (no tiny font!)

Making your application specific to an employer or organization is time consuming, but it pays off. This is why you want to be specific in your job hunting efforts. When people tell me they sent out 2000 applications, I know that virtually all of them were read briefly and put in the 'big pile'. You're better off sending 20 specific applications than 2000 general ones.

After you send your resume and cover letter, follow up with another letter expressing continued interest. You may even make one phone call to check in. If you hear nothing after three months, send another resume and a new cover letter (can be basically the same, just tweak it to say you're still intersted in working for them). Tell them you're available for an interview and be upbeat, professionally enthusiastic and pleasant.

Speaking of professional, please do NOT include emoticons, or write your cover letter on pink stationary (honest, I've seen this!) When someone is looking through a pile of resumes (whether electronic or hard copy), the first ones cut are those with such glaring unprofessional appearances, or terrible spelling or grammar.

And, if you're lucky enough to be invited for an interview, wear something professional. A suit is better than slacks and a blouse, but do not show up in jeans! Even though it may be perfectly acceptable to wear jeans to class, to restaurants, etc., it is NOT OK to wear jeans to a job interview. If you have to borrow something or even buy a suit at Goodwill, it would be a great idea... trust me! The person interviewing you will notice what you're wearing.

When you get home from the interview, write a thank you note to the person who you spoke with (or several notes if you were interviewed by several people). Thank them for their time, express your strong desire to work there, and express that you look forward to their decision and "if there is anything else I can do..." If you don't hear something in a week, email or phone them and politely ask if they have made a decision and that you're very anxious to be part of their team.

Yes, writing multiple, specific letters is time consuming, but there is a pay-off. Think of it like this: would you rather get a generic birthday card from someone with a stamped signature? or open a card that you know was chosen just for you and had a handwritten note inside saying what a great friend you are?

Best of luck to all!

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Letters of recommendation are typically requested by the prospective employer, not handed to a hiring manager by the applicant. What you want to do is talk to professons/ instructors who know your strengths and ask if they would give you a recommendation when the time came. If they agree, get their contact information so you can give that to an employer. And, you're right that instructors might get a little 'foggy' about who you were (if you graduated more than a year or two ago). Best way to avoid that is to keep in touch. Send a friendly email every few months, ask if they know anyone who is hiring, keep them informed of where you are in your job search (passed the NCLEX, doing volunteer work, or working as a clerk at Target--whatever you're doing, and politely ask if they'd keep you in mind if they hear of job openings).

To make your resume stand out, make it specific to the job you're applying to. If you want to work in an ER, volunteer at an EMS location as an EMT (you might have to take a short course and pass a test--which should be very easy for a nurse!) This gives your resume some specific work experience, even though it's not as a nurse. If you want to work in L&D volunteer for Planned Parenthood. But, make your application and resume specific for what you want to do. Instead of thinking about what your employment goal is, do it the other way around: think about what the goal is of the employer and the exact position you're applying for. Write your resume so it looks like YOU are the perfect candidate for that job. (This means that you'll need to keep editing your resume for each job, but you should look at finding a job as a job in itself.)

Don't assume your work at a coffee shop isn't valuable or respected by an employer. If you have a job like that (or ever did) make sure you include the skills you learned as part of that job: customer satisfaction... creative problem solving.... multi-tasking... You'd be surprised how relevent those skills are and transferable those skills are to nursing.

And, DO NOT PANIC! The job market isn't what it was 5 years ago, but finding your job is like going to every car in the parking lot with a key and trying to open the right lock... it gets frustrating, but you will find the job... and it might not be your dream job, but it'll be a great starting point and experience for your next one. (Just be careful not to 'jump ship' too soon or too often. Employers don't like seeing someone with six months here, nine months there. It shows them the applicant isn't loyal and that all the money the hospital spent in training will be wasted when that person quits after six months or a year.)

Good luck!

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I'm curious about this as well. At the end of 2011 I applied to a new grad program at a local hospital (one of the biggest names in the area) and heard nothing back, not even a letter of rejection. I tried to inquire via email but was ignored. This was a big turnoff but I decided to apply again to the next (2012) cohort because it's been almost a year since I graduated and I need a job. This time I was contacted for an interview, which went as well as I could have hoped for. I dressed professionally, used correct spelling and grammar, and started preparing for the interview 5 days in advance so I was prepared for all the questions I was asked.

However, the interviewer robotically read all questions from a list, interrupted me to answer a page in the middle of my interview, and told me they’d notify all interviewees on Friday, even those who didn’t make the cut. Now it’s Tuesday and I’ve still heard nothing.

I just had to vent… Since hospitals have their pick of the litter these days, many seem to think they no longer have to be professional and treat their applicants with respect.

So… Assuming we’ve followed all the advice in the original post for this thread… what’s next? What do we do when we’ve spent countless hours/weeks/months crafting detailed and personalized job applications, networking and reaching out, and are still unemployed with no end in sight?

I am just hoping with my BSN I have more luck. SUCKS to be an LPN right now!

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Hi

Been sitting few years in nursing committee, getting involved in credentialing, and other hard to think stuffs in employment.

I live in different country from most of you here. But, I have a view that we have a bit similar issue in recruitment. I have been doing hundred interviews as much as reading many cover letters that mostly aren't speaking much of the applicants personal and professional profile. That is what makes the interview getting harder to run, just like finding out a shape from a scrap. Then I just rely on how they behave at present, how they react to some specific questions, how they explain themselves if given a scenario. There is a time that I ignore how they dressed, but I clearly mention it when the applicant indicatively fit the job.

Lastly, recruitment still have to go and find everyone who fit the job whether the applicants do not make themselves clear or not. A kind of hard thing to get through, but I certainly have to make sure that we hire the better (if not the best) among the crowds. :cool:

Mas Catoer

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It's not acceptable for a manager to promise an applicant an update when a decision has been made, then fails to follow through; I'm not excusing this. But, I've read comments here and on other threads from applicants who are dissatisifed because the hiring manager didn't contact them afterward, or the director accepted a phone call in the midst of an interview, or the manager didn't spend enough time with them. There are some reasons this could happen, other than the interviewer being rude.

Just like nurses who are blamed for not sitting at a patient's bedside and chatting with them, managers have many other things to do, as well. It's a condition of the competitive nature of business. Employees of all levels are expected to be busy and productive beyond anything that was expected a decade ago. People work through lunch, come in early, send work related emails from home on weekends and evenings and even take calls when they are on vacation. Employees (particularly managers) have a mountain of responsbilities to deal with each day and every moment is precious. So, taking a phone call during an interview may seem rude to the interviewee, but not taking a call as it comes in might cost the manager ten times that amount of time to listen to a message later, return the call, have the other person not answer, leave a message... phone tag can go on endlessly. Yes, it may seem rude, but it's a matter of job survival--or she may have been waiting for that call for days.

The point I'm trying to make is not to get annoyed if your interviewer is late, takes a call during your interview, or doesn't let you know that you weren't hired. When you get your first nursing job you'll understand that there are some days (or weeks, or longer) when you don't have time for anything but the most urgent parts of your job-- like when there is a code and all your other duties have to wait.

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It's not acceptable for a manager to promise an applicant an update when a decision has been made, then fails to follow through; I'm not excusing this. But, I've read comments here and on other threads from applicants who are dissatisifed because the hiring manager didn't contact them afterward, or the director accepted a phone call in the midst of an interview, or the manager didn't spend enough time with them. There are some reasons this could happen, other than the interviewer being rude.

Just like nurses who are blamed for not sitting at a patient's bedside and chatting with them, managers have many other things to do, as well. It's a condition of the competitive nature of business. Employees of all levels are expected to be busy and productive beyond anything that was expected a decade ago. People work through lunch, come in early, send work related emails from home on weekends and evenings and even take calls when they are on vacation. Employees (particularly managers) have a mountain of responsbilities to deal with each day and every moment is precious. So, taking a phone call during an interview may seem rude to the interviewee, but not taking a call as it comes in might cost the manager ten times that amount of time to listen to a message later, return the call, have the other person not answer, leave a message... phone tag can go on endlessly. Yes, it may seem rude, but it's a matter of job survival--or she may have been waiting for that call for days.

The point I'm trying to make is not to get annoyed if your interviewer is late, takes a call during your interview, or doesn't let you know that you weren't hired. When you get your first nursing job you'll understand that there are some days (or weeks, or longer) when you don't have time for anything but the most urgent parts of your job-- like when there is a code and all your other duties have to wait.

OK Patti, another question for you. I applied for a position in Novemeber and they hired someone else. Now the position is open again, and I would really like the job. I re-submitted my resume and cover letter. Is it appropriate to call the hiring person and tell her I interviewed a few months back and would like to re-interview? Or, what can I say to let them know I am interested in the job.....and would like a chance to show it?

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Yes, by all means reapply and express your eagerness. I'd even say (diplomatically and professionally) that you were disappointed not to have been selected, but you hope to interview again. This is where longevity in your past employment history will be a particular bonus. This manager just got burned; she hired and trained a person who cost them six months and thousands and thousands of dollars. She is now looking to replace that employee and the last thing she wants is to have another person 'not work out'. (I hope you have at LEAST a year or two with your current and most of your previous employers!) If so, highlight that in your cover letter. Mention that, "after three years in the cath lab at Washington Hospital, I am eager for a greater challenge..." When a person has a bad experience, often the first thing they want to avoid is a rerun of that episode! Good luck!

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Yes, by all means reapply and express your eagerness. I'd even say (diplomatically and professionally) that you were disappointed not to have been selected, but you hope to interview again. This is where longevity in your past employment history will be a particular bonus. This manager just got burned; she hired and trained a person who cost them six months and thousands and thousands of dollars. She is now looking to replace that employee and the last thing she wants is to have another person 'not work out'. (I hope you have at LEAST a year or two with your current and most of your previous employers!) If so, highlight that in your cover letter. Mention that, "after three years in the cath lab at Washington Hospital, I am eager for a greater challenge..." When a person has a bad experience, often the first thing they want to avoid is a rerun of that episode! Good luck!

Thanks Patti! I have 6 almost 7 years experience and they want at least 2. I just left a VM.

I am just concerned about the staff turnover rate in these positions. Seems like every 6 months there's a new posting for the same thing. When I look for a job, I want a job where I can stay, not have to move around every few months. And I absolutely want a new challenge. I interviewed with my old DON about MDS and she said "Why do you want to do that, its boring?" Uhhh, because I want to learn more, other than passing pills on the floor for as long as I have. (I didn't say that, I was thinking it!) Needless to say, I didn't get the position, and now the MDS person has left already. I don't undertand it, but then again, I only have experience as a floor nurse and a bit of staff development. I think the reason they didn't give it to me is because they wanted me on the floor because I m dependable and mage my time well! I wish they would just have told me that, instead. The administrator made the comment to me that "When you get your RN you will be a valuable asset to the company." Really? So why not let me do what I want to do? My LPN holds me back and my experience does, too, in a way, and it is frustrating.

Thank you for the thread!

i enjoyed reading these articles, i have my first job interview on Wednesday and i'am just trying to prepare myself. Thank you.

I love this thread so much that I kept reading it again and again. :yeah:

I have a question for Patti, I'm a 2010 graduate but took the NCLEX-RN last year I have no experience in my resume thus making it impossible for me to be hired. I'm not picky with the type of work nor time I apply to but never seldom gets a response to the jobs I applied to. Is there any tips you can share? I have a problem of being shy at time thus making it more difficult for me to speak in English since it is not my first language.

thanks for sharing.

that's really great help.

First, you probably read books about putting a resume together, or even hired someone to polish yours. Those are good steps, but to set yourself apart from the masses, you need to do more. Before you even start writing your resume, talk to your friends, classmates, professors and employers. Ask them what they perceive your strengths to be. Take inventory of ALL your skills and accomplishments. Women in particular have a hard time promoting themselves. Don't be shy. Start an informal list of your achievements. If you won awards, jot that down; if your GPA was high, put a little check mark beside that, did you spend time supervising others? Think hard... this doesn't have to be a job title, just a job responsibility. Compile your resume in the way that best suits your skills. If you're a young new grad without work experience find a resume template that highlights your academic history; ditto for someone with vast work experience.

While you're talking to those professors and employers, ask their permission to use them as a reference. Get their preferred contact information. Don't limit yourself to a few people because you don't want to ask the same people for letters over, and over. (It's flattering to be asked, but time consuming to actually write letters for people. Have a number of references you can rotate through as needed.) And, of course, don't have them contacted by prospective employers until the end of the hiring process.

Now, decide what kind of job you want. There are thousands of people out there who apply for every job they find. You may feel anxious, but casting your net too far and wide won't bring many calls for interviews. There is a reason for this, which I'll explain later. Be realistic in your expectations. You probably have a sense for what jobs are most desirable and where competition is intense (Labor & Delivery, peds, etc.) If this is your goal, it'll be even harder to land your dream job. Not to say those jobs are impossible to find as a new grad, but there are many others applying for them. If your ultimate goal is a job with lots of competition, find another way in: if you want to work in a NICU, maybe start at a Children's Hospital working with more difficult patients. Once you figure out where you want to be, concentrate your efforts to those jobs. Write your resume with that in mind. Using the peds example, focus your resume on your experience with kids; your peds rotation, and any other experience you have that shows you're interested in children.

Now, scour the ads, but don't limit yourself to posted or advertised jobs. Talk to everyone you know, tell them what you're looking for and ask if they have any leads. When you do hear of a possibility, focus on that one job as you write your cover letter. Talk about why you fit into THAT organization, talk about their mission, their organizational structure and why you want to work THERE. (You can find organization's mission statements on their websites and learn other details about them, too.) So, your letter reads something like, "I share Washington Hospital's committment to serving the underserved memebers of the community..." Then talk briefly about your volunteer experience giving flu shots to uninsured patients through your church's medical efforts. You want to make sure you set yourself apart from the other applicants. Your cover letter should be less than one page of easy to read text (no tiny font!)

Making your application specific to an employer or organization is time consuming, but it pays off. This is why you want to be specific in your job hunting efforts. When people tell me they sent out 2000 applications, I know that virtually all of them were read briefly and put in the 'big pile'. You're better off sending 20 specific applications than 2000 general ones.

After you send your resume and cover letter, follow up with another letter expressing continued interest. You may even make one phone call to check in. If you hear nothing after three months, send another resume and a new cover letter (can be basically the same, just tweak it to say you're still intersted in working for them). Tell them you're available for an interview and be upbeat, professionally enthusiastic and pleasant.

Speaking of professional, please do NOT include emoticons, or write your cover letter on pink stationary (honest, I've seen this!) When someone is looking through a pile of resumes (whether electronic or hard copy), the first ones cut are those with such glaring unprofessional appearances, or terrible spelling or grammar.

And, if you're lucky enough to be invited for an interview, wear something professional. A suit is better than slacks and a blouse, but do not show up in jeans! Even though it may be perfectly acceptable to wear jeans to class, to restaurants, etc., it is NOT OK to wear jeans to a job interview. If you have to borrow something or even buy a suit at Goodwill, it would be a great idea... trust me! The person interviewing you will notice what you're wearing.

When you get home from the interview, write a thank you note to the person who you spoke with (or several notes if you were interviewed by several people). Thank them for their time, express your strong desire to work there, and express that you look forward to their decision and "if there is anything else I can do..." If you don't hear something in a week, email or phone them and politely ask if they have made a decision and that you're very anxious to be part of their team.

Yes, writing multiple, specific letters is time consuming, but there is a pay-off. Think of it like this: would you rather get a generic birthday card from someone with a stamped signature? or open a card that you know was chosen just for you and had a handwritten note inside saying what a great friend you are?

Best of luck to all!

Great article. Thank you.