Advance Practice Preceptorships - Should students find their own preceptors?

Excerpt from letter written to nursing administrators... Specialties Advanced Article

There are several additional points that I would like to make at this time. The concept of students finding and arranging their own preceptorships in advance nursing is an unsustainable and unethical one. For one thing, there is an unequal playing field in the process. Students that have greater access to medical professionals due to their previous experience or background will have a tremendous advantage in securing preceptorships. For instance, the son of an ICU physician would undoubtedly have almost no problems finding all his preceptors due to his father's connections. However, a first generation, aspiring nurse from a disadvantaged inner city that is pursuing an advanced degree will face significant difficulty securing preceptors.

Furthermore, students, in general, have almost no leverage when trying to secure a preceptor. An advance practice student, being one of the lowest in the medical hierarchy, is in essence trying to get a highly paid medical professional (Physician, PA, NP) to teach him/her a skill or profession without any type of compensation whatsoever. The natural question is of course "Why would anybody want to do that?" And the answer to that question is that "hardly anybody" and understandably so. In addition, medicine is practiced in a highly regulated and litigious environment. Even if a student secures a preceptor (most likely due to personal connections), there are nowadays a myriad of institutional regulations by hospitals and clinics that provide significant hurdles. What kind of incentive does a hospital or medical clinic have to allow just anybody to walk through its door and provide that person with the opportunity of becoming a highly skilled professional? In the case of advance practice nursing, they have none. With the increased concentration and buyouts in medicine, many more practice environments are now regulated by big corporations. Mostly gone are the days, when a nurse could walk into the office of the local town doctor and ask him to train her. Now even the local office might be owned by XYZ Inc. which has regulations, and a lot of them.

Certainly, the leaders of physician and PA programs understand this and that is why they arrange clinical experiences for their students. As nurses, we expect the same of our leaders. Unfortunately, our nursing leaders and schools have shortchanged us as students in the past, but this got to change. Most physicians and physician assistants express general satisfaction with their education. I haven't met many nurse practitioners yet that came to the same conclusion.

As NP students we pay the university to provide a service to us - education. One of the most important parts of this education is the clinical experience. It is not sufficient for the university to charge tuition, write a plethora of rules about the clinical experience and to abandon students to find their own preceptors, knowing well that many will not succeed.

Key Element III E of the CCNE Standards for Accreditation of Baccalaureate and Graduate Nursing Programs (2013) states, "To prepare students for a practice profession, each track in each degree program and post-graduate APRN certificate program affords students the opportunity to develop professional competencies in practice settings aligned to the educational preparation. Clinical practice experiences are provided for students in all programs, including those with distance education offerings."

It states, "clinical practice experiences are provided for students in all programs..." It does not say that students shall provide their own clinical practice experience.

I believe that the CCNE should start enforcing this rule. Schools that are not willing or able to provide this most important aspect of NP education should not be accredited by CCNE. Obviously, this accreditation agency has lacked in enforcing its own standard in past times. However, I believe as an officially recognized national accreditation agency by the U.S. secretary of Education, it needs to step up to the plate and do its job. It is unfair towards the schools that follow the rules and provide clinical experiences when other schools skirt their responsibility, getting by with it. Our physician and PA colleagues have shown us that providing clinical experiences for their students is not that difficult and results in a superior educational experience.

I thank you for your time and appreciate any constructive feedback.

Specializes in FNP-BC.

What area of the country are you in? In Southeast Tennessee there are no jobs for new NP's.

Specializes in Hospice.
What area of the country are you in? In Southeast Tennessee there are no jobs for new NP's.

The Midwest .....

Specializes in Family Practice.

Unfortunately, that seems to be norm for most NP schools. I am attending a school that has placed this stressful burden on the student. Like we do not have other things to contend with. What is really annoying in the same breath they want you to find a "good" preceptor!!! That takes a considerable amount of time which, students do not have the luxury of doing. You end up taking whatever you can get and hope for the best like a crap shoot. Then you have companies out there that will place you with a preceptor but you will be paying an exuberant amount of money. I feel if a student has to be out of so much money they should have it deducted from their tuition since the school lags behind in searching for quality preceptors. How can you fault the student? It is an ongoing problem that is not getting better. Just check out the NP groups on Facebook. The number one reason why most join a group is with the hopes of finding a preceptor. I have been very lucky. And I share my find with other students that I come in contact with. When I gain experience as an NP I will make it a point to precept as much as I can. Be one teach one!!!!!

Specializes in PMHNP.

Notice how CRNA programs don't have schools like this? Yet they make the most in the nursing industry. There are so many posts about FNPs not making enough, yet they seem to be the focus of these for-profit schools. I would be curious to see what would happen to wages if there were more stringent accreditation rules.

Specializes in Internal Medicine, Geriatric Medicine.

I went through a distance program for both my ASN to BSN program and then the MSN program. I did find all of my own preceptors, but I was in a position where I could have physician, PA, and NP preceptors. The requirement was that the majority of clinical had to be with an NP. I spent one full clinical semester with physicians. I did one semester with a combination of a PA, MD, and an NP. One semester was all NPs. I had a great experience in all of my rotations and because I was willing to travel an hour or so each way for several of them I got to work with some amazing people. The school would have helped me find preceptors if I had had problems finding them, but I didn't have any.

I know that in the area I'm in now, student have a horrible time finding preceptors even though the school does a fair amount of the work. Because I was so blessed to have some wonderful experiences, I precept now. I jokingly say it's enlightened self-interest because we all get old and I work in geriatrics. I also know I get recertification credit for it. But the truth is that I precept because I enjoy it and I wouldn't be where I am without having had those preceptors.

I talk to a lot of NPs and they tell me they won't precept because if they do it once, they are always inundated with requests even during semesters when they can't precept or need a break. Some won't because they are production based and it slows them down. Some don't like precepting. There are days when I think, "Damn, I need week without my student" but precepting is my choice and I work through that. I did do one thing, though: I won't take first semester clinical NP students. I think it's a disservice to them to have them doing geriatrics before they've done some basic adult health rotations. I take semester two and three clinical students. Usually I say one student, and I end up with two because someone "needs 20 hours". I'm a sucker. But next semester, one! Only one--I have her for 200 hours.

I agree that it would be helpful to have a more standardized method of finding preceptors, but I don't have good answers. I like the idea of residency type program for NPs.

Specializes in Urology.

I'll throw my two cents in here. I attend a well known state university and we have to find our clinical preceptors. I do not have a problem with that, as a matter of fact I prefer it. I've been a nurse for going on 9 years and during that time I've gotten to build a lot of professional relationships with Docs, NP's, and PA's (my best friend is a CRNA). Heres the catch, I took time thinking about if becoming an APRN was what I wanted out of life. I took into account everything that encompasses it from schooling to salary to scheduling. I initially wanted to become a CRNA (I even applied short of my BSN). I eventually decided against being a CRNA because I have small children and I am the breadwinner and I didnt want to be buried in 3 years of no working plus school debt. In the end the decision to enter NP school was a long arduous one but it is one I feel is the best. I really like being with patients and doing patient care, NP just seemed to be more of a natural fit for me.

Now back to the part where I was looking for schools. I knew going in that I would need preceptors. From all those years working I knew who I could go to and there would be ZERO problems with them taking me on as a student. They know how I work, and that my personality will mesh with theirs. I am there to learn from them, not the other way around. I know I'll get a good experience because I am hand picking my preceptors and they are happy to receive me. It would be less worthwhile to get tossed in with someone I didnt know and be at the mercy of someone who doesnt mesh well or is just overall bad at what they do.

Basically I see picking a preceptor as a test and I think its overlooked by so many that just decide to jump into school on a whim. Do your research, learn about the program, express your expectations and chose what is right for you. Jumping ship from bedside nursing because you don't like nights isnt the answer you are looking for here. Explore all the areas of nursing, make informed decisions, challenge yourself and what you think it is you want. I did this and I ended up here and I'm happy with it. I plan on fulling returing the favor when I graduate and offering to be a preceptor (after a year or so) and help educate and turn out quality nurse practitioners who will do patients the upmost service.

Specializes in Emergency.

This was a great read. As someone going INTO the ARNP program and having to secure my own way... it feels like a daunting task.

Wrong thread. Sorry!

Specializes in Adult Internal Medicine.
do not have a problem with that, as a matter of fact I prefer it. I've been a nurse for going on 9 years and during that time I've gotten to build a lot of professional relationships with Docs, NP's, and PA's (my best friend is a CRNA).

I know I'll get a good experience because I am hand picking my preceptors and they are happy to receive me. It would be less worthwhile to get tossed in with someone I didnt know and be at the mercy of someone who doesnt mesh well or is just overall bad at what they do.

It's great that you have done your research, have the contacts, and have secured good preceptors you have known.

That being said, in this situation, you potentially miss out on an important experience. I have been involved in clinical teaching for both medical and nurse practitioner students and there is an important aspect of placing students outside of their comfort zone. This means in clinics they may not have chosen, in roles they are not "interested in", and with preceptors that will challenge them. This is what I appreciate about programs in which the faculty evaluates each student and matches them with a preceptors and sites that cover a broad spectrum.

I did a distance learning program and since I was not in the area the school was in (Stony Brook, NY), I had to really did in and make cold calls. It was really challenging at times, but I managed to make it through the whole program. There was a point where I thought I was going to be forced to move back to NY just for a semester to get clinicals in.

It is VERY stressful, but I did it. There will be hiccups. I found that many NP's were happy to precept, however contracts with the agencies may be difficult.

I think most programs provide assistance and have a list of places old students were at. A lot of it is up to you, regardless of your program.

Specializes in Hospice.
It's great that you have done your research, have the contacts, and have secured good preceptors you have known.

That being said, in this situation, you potentially miss out on an important experience. I have been involved in clinical teaching for both medical and nurse practitioner students and there is an important aspect of placing students outside of their comfort zone. This means in clinics they may not have chosen, in roles they are not "interested in", and with preceptors that will challenge them. This is what I appreciate about programs in which the faculty evaluates each student and matches them with a preceptors and sites that cover a broad spectrum.

To think that most programs are that methodical in their placements would be naive... IMHO.

Specializes in peds.

With all the money you have to pay. I think they should arrange it especially for instate students. A list is a little better but all students get that list so there is still competition and people on the list may not be willing or else they may already have students. Seen it even with coworkers in top ranked state schools.