Advance Practice Preceptorships - Should students find their own preceptors?

Excerpt from letter written to nursing administrators... Specialties Advanced Article

There are several additional points that I would like to make at this time. The concept of students finding and arranging their own preceptorships in advance nursing is an unsustainable and unethical one. For one thing, there is an unequal playing field in the process. Students that have greater access to medical professionals due to their previous experience or background will have a tremendous advantage in securing preceptorships. For instance, the son of an ICU physician would undoubtedly have almost no problems finding all his preceptors due to his father's connections. However, a first generation, aspiring nurse from a disadvantaged inner city that is pursuing an advanced degree will face significant difficulty securing preceptors.

Furthermore, students, in general, have almost no leverage when trying to secure a preceptor. An advance practice student, being one of the lowest in the medical hierarchy, is in essence trying to get a highly paid medical professional (Physician, PA, NP) to teach him/her a skill or profession without any type of compensation whatsoever. The natural question is of course "Why would anybody want to do that?" And the answer to that question is that "hardly anybody" and understandably so. In addition, medicine is practiced in a highly regulated and litigious environment. Even if a student secures a preceptor (most likely due to personal connections), there are nowadays a myriad of institutional regulations by hospitals and clinics that provide significant hurdles. What kind of incentive does a hospital or medical clinic have to allow just anybody to walk through its door and provide that person with the opportunity of becoming a highly skilled professional? In the case of advance practice nursing, they have none. With the increased concentration and buyouts in medicine, many more practice environments are now regulated by big corporations. Mostly gone are the days, when a nurse could walk into the office of the local town doctor and ask him to train her. Now even the local office might be owned by XYZ Inc. which has regulations, and a lot of them.

Certainly, the leaders of physician and PA programs understand this and that is why they arrange clinical experiences for their students. As nurses, we expect the same of our leaders. Unfortunately, our nursing leaders and schools have shortchanged us as students in the past, but this got to change. Most physicians and physician assistants express general satisfaction with their education. I haven't met many nurse practitioners yet that came to the same conclusion.

As NP students we pay the university to provide a service to us - education. One of the most important parts of this education is the clinical experience. It is not sufficient for the university to charge tuition, write a plethora of rules about the clinical experience and to abandon students to find their own preceptors, knowing well that many will not succeed.

Key Element III E of the CCNE Standards for Accreditation of Baccalaureate and Graduate Nursing Programs (2013) states, "To prepare students for a practice profession, each track in each degree program and post-graduate APRN certificate program affords students the opportunity to develop professional competencies in practice settings aligned to the educational preparation. Clinical practice experiences are provided for students in all programs, including those with distance education offerings."

It states, "clinical practice experiences are provided for students in all programs..." It does not say that students shall provide their own clinical practice experience.

I believe that the CCNE should start enforcing this rule. Schools that are not willing or able to provide this most important aspect of NP education should not be accredited by CCNE. Obviously, this accreditation agency has lacked in enforcing its own standard in past times. However, I believe as an officially recognized national accreditation agency by the U.S. secretary of Education, it needs to step up to the plate and do its job. It is unfair towards the schools that follow the rules and provide clinical experiences when other schools skirt their responsibility, getting by with it. Our physician and PA colleagues have shown us that providing clinical experiences for their students is not that difficult and results in a superior educational experience.

I thank you for your time and appreciate any constructive feedback.

Specializes in Outpatient Psychiatry.
West they had a button where I could auto like all of psychguys posts. It gets tiresome having to do it manually. If we and a few other were in charge of the BON we would get stuff done baby.

I frequently forget about the like button being there. I usually reply on a phone and I can't see anything on the screen anymore, lol.

I wonder if a hostile take over is something that we could do with a state administrative agency.

One of the things I would first stick in the garbage disposal is their "decision making model." I can't even decide to read the thing because it's so littered with words and graphics. Go with your gut. It's usually your best decision factory.

Specializes in Outpatient Psychiatry.
I precepted students when I worked in primary care. I felt that I should give back and I really enjoyed it. Now I'm in a specialty that many students aren't interested in. Precepting is challenging. It slows you down, and that's difficult if you work in a practice that is numbers driven and your pay depends on productivity. More providers might be interested if there was some sort of incentive.

I'm supposed to have a student this fall. I'm wondering how I can continue to be numbers driven. If I let him see my patients he's going to slow me down and do all this BS they teach in school, and I don't want to lose my substantial productivity bonuses. My best preceptor arranged my own panel for me. I may do the same for him with patients I know who are doing well. I can put him in the break room with a laptop.

Ha I use my iPad mini. I have all nurses blocked on my computer most the time. Pretty much the only workout my mini gets.

I pretty much much just use this website to ridicule nursing education and entertainment.

I mean at at least by ridiculing it we are doing the unenlighted a service. Wish people would have loled at my ideas back in the day I would have skipped out on nursing and be a better person than I am now. but no.... All those optimistic rainbow and pink glitter flatulence emitters kept me going.

I really want to make a YouTube channel though where I record interactions with admissions committee at APRN programs and ask the Tough questions like how the job market is. Then when they light me full of hot air lies I present them with contradictory statistics and tell them they are being recorded and walk out laughing. Actually I would like to do this with all worthless degree programs. Don't steal my idea bc that would be a view monster on YouTube.

I guess to keep this post on topic I would ask if all their students find preceptors or not also.

Expose these dirty bastards for what they are

Specializes in Outpatient Psychiatry.
Ha I use my iPad mini. I have all nurses blocked on my computer most the time. Pretty much the only workout my mini gets.

I pretty much much just use this website to ridicule nursing education and entertainment.

I mean at at least by ridiculing it we are doing the unenlighted a service. Wish people would have loled at my ideas back in the day I would have skipped out on nursing and be a better person than I am now. but no.... All those optimistic rainbow and pink glitter flatulence emitters kept me going.

I just yesterday downloaded some techno crap to block this and SDN on my phone. As well as edcforums.com. I'm thinking it'll save me 100 hours/year. I can still get on it with my tablet and laptop. I've never tried from my work computer. I think I'd feel ashamed to be caught looking at nursing mantra at work. Media would at least be explainable.

Specializes in Psychiatric and Substance Abuse Nursing.
I really want to make a YouTube channel though where I record interactions with admissions committee at APRN programs and ask the Tough questions like how the job market is. Then when they light me full of hot air lies I present them with contradictory statistics and tell them they are being recorded and walk out laughing. Actually I would like to do this with all worthless degree programs. Don't steal my idea bc that would be a view monster on YouTube.

I guess to keep this post on topic I would ask if all their students find preceptors or not also.

Expose these dirty bastards for what they are

Adam Carolla used to have a similar minded show called Catch A Contractor where he would catch shoddy contractors spewing lies and exposing their shoddy work. Great premise. You could do the same thing with NP School Admissions depts. Lol. Actually, the premise is very portable to other occupations (mechanic, insurance products, even to maybe religions).

Specializes in Critical Care, Float Pool Nursing.

I'm not an APRN student but I have always found the notion of finding your own preceptor RIDICULOUS. That doesn't happen in med school or PA school, so why NP school? Its unprofessional.

I really want to make a YouTube channel though where I record interactions with admissions committee at APRN programs and ask the Tough questions like how the job market is. Then when they light me full of hot air lies I present them with contradictory statistics and tell them they are being recorded and walk out laughing.

This is a bit concerning. I'm currently a flight nurse in a program based at a large hospital in MI. I enjoy a lot of autonomy and do love my job but was planning on doing the NP program for future options or maybe sideline work. Because of my length of service, I'm at the top of the pay scale which is over 100K/yr. Your post make me wonder if I should even pursue this. I'd hate to pay for it and find out there's not much for jobs and the pay is less than what I'm making now!

Specializes in allergy and asthma, urgent care.
This is a bit concerning. I'm currently a flight nurse in a program based at a large hospital in MI. I enjoy a lot of autonomy and do love my job but was planning on doing the NP program for future options or maybe sideline work. Because of my length of service, I'm at the top of the pay scale which is over 100K/yr. Your post make me wonder if I should even pursue this. I'd hate to pay for it and find out there's not much for jobs and the pay is less than what I'm making now!

It sounds like it might not be worth it financially for you to pursue your NP.

Specializes in Hospice.

It stinks to have to find your own preceptors ..... But it is what it is. Life is unfair there will always be people with better connections. I had none and found preceptors. They all payed it forward because someone did that for them.

Specializes in FNP-BC.

I agree totally. The schools have found a cash cow and are pumping out students. The demand for new grad NP's is just not there and the market is flooded.

Specializes in Hospice.
I agree totally. The schools have found a cash cow and are pumping out students. The demand for new grad NP's is just not there and the market is flooded.

I don't know about that..... I had no problem finding jobs.....and I know my org is struggling to fill fnp roles