Accelerated Masters with no Nursing background

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Hello,

just wanted to see if anyone has taken this path and how it worked out.

My undergrad is Biomedical Engineering. I would have to take some of the prereqs.

Once I have a masters, would I be able to bypass bedside nursing? Due to an old foot injury, I would be unable to be a bedside nurse safely-for myself.

Thanks for for any input!

We should start a new thread and discuss this because the "limitations" you mention really have very little impact on the validity of the studies when viewed from a population level. They are "talking points" of the AMA that don't really stand up to much scientific scrutiny.

No reason msn10 shouldn't express his/her opinions/beliefs. This is a discussion between diverse people, which is the case on the internet. We don't need to censor people's opinions and experiences/beliefs just because they don't happen to be the same as our own.

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Specializes in cardiac, ICU, education.
We should start a new thread and discuss this because the "limitations" you mention really have very little impact on the validity of the studies when viewed from a population level. They are "talking points" of the AMA that don't really stand up to much scientific scrutiny.

Validity is validity when applying it to a sample or an entire population. The limitations I provided were self-proclaimed by the author group which actually goes right to the meat of their analysis. If they want to prove better outcomes, then they have to compare NP's against MD's not guess as to whether the patient outcomes they were evaluating were better or worse when they can't differentiate between who gave the treatment/service.

I maybe reading your comment incorrectly, but the NP's provided the outcome definitions in this article, not the AMA.

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Specializes in ICU.

Why is every program termed "accelerated" these days? I see people post about "accelerated" LPN, ASN, and now Masters. That seems to be a marketing ploy to me. And people seem to buy in and be so proud of being in an "accelerated" program, which in all reality, isn't much shorter.

OP, how do you become a master of any subject without practicing it first? Really. Think about it. Do basketball stars just walk out on the court without any training and score 40 points? Can you become a black belt in karate after 3 weeks? The answer is no. Which is why most of these people end up jobless while those that earn their masters after a few years of bedside do get hired.

I can't tell you how to spend your money, just give you thoughts to ponder.

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Specializes in Adult Internal Medicine.
No reason msn10 shouldn't express his/her opinions/beliefs. This is a discussion between diverse people, which is the case on the internet. We don't need to censor people's opinions and experiences/beliefs just because they don't happen to be the same as our own.

"We should start a new thread and discuss this"

Exactly what part of that makes you think "censor"?

Why is every program termed "accelerated" these days? I see people post about "accelerated" LPN, ASN, and now Masters. That seems to be a marketing ploy to me. And people seem to buy in and be so proud of being in an "accelerated" program, which in all reality, isn't much shorter.

OP, how do you become a master of any subject without practicing it first? Really. Think about it. Do basketball stars just walk out on the court without any training and score 40 points? Can you become a black belt in karate after 3 weeks? The answer is no. Which is why most of these people end up jobless while those that earn their masters after a few years of bedside do get hired.

I can't tell you how to spend your money, just give you thoughts to ponder.

Accelerated typically indicates simply an accelerated timeline: more credits/semester, no summer break, etc.

Using your basketball analogy, who is the best basketball player in the world? Did he play at the college or semi pro level before playing professionally?

Please cite your sources on "most of these people end up jobless".

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Specializes in Adult Internal Medicine.
Validity is validity when applying it to a sample or an entire population. The limitations I provided were self-proclaimed by the author group which actually goes right to the meat of their analysis. If they want to prove better outcomes, then they have to compare NP's against MD's not guess as to whether the patient outcomes they were evaluating were better or worse when they can't differentiate between who gave the treatment/service.

I maybe reading your comment incorrectly, but the NP's provided the outcome definitions in this article, not the AMA.

There have been many studies and they have all demonstrated consistent results, which is comparable outcomes using different designs and different outcome measures. Every peer-reviewed published study lists limitations. Those limitations do not invalidate the results of the study.

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Specializes in Leadership, Psych, HomeCare, Amb. Care.
How could you ever be a nurse without undergoing clinicals - which are bedside?

What experience will you draw on to bolster your advanced practice nursing degree? You can't be advanced anything without being the basic version first.

I continue to be amazed by the number of folks who want to *be* a nurse without actually, you know, *being* a nurse.

An accelerated masters has nothing to do with advanced practice. 3-4 well regurded universities in Illinois offer this type of program for people who already have at least a BA/BS. At RUSH University, a top rated academic medical center BTW, has a direct entry masters program

Direct Entry MSN for Non-Nurses | Programs & Admissions | Rush University

It focuses on clinical skills as well as producing nurse leaders. They do the clinicals, take the NCLEX, get the RN license, and go to work as nurses in a variety of different settings.

But they are in no way, shape, or form Advanced practice nurses

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Specializes in cardiac, ICU, education.

Very aware of how to read, interpret, and write research articles - I have been doing it for years. But limitations such as "small sample size, or homogenous sample, etc." are much less invalidating than stating in your paper that you aren't sure if what you are trying to measure isn't actually what you are measuring.

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I did direct entry. My bachelors was in bio and psych. Overall it was okay but unfortunately while you do leave very booksmart with a great understanding of pathophys and disease processes and can probably write a decent paper...you can't even even start an IV. This is embarrassing and totally invalidates you no matter how competent you are in terms of knowledge. Example: I have to use our vein finder, I had only done one central line dressing change before...much better now though!

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There are in fact programs that go "direct" to MSN/NP with little to no experience at all. There are facilities in remote areas that can not keep staff that will hire people on degree only.

There are NP programs that require clinicals, but can be "done" with "research nursing" or some other clinical time that is non-bedside related.

I know of at least a couple of people who got an accelerated BSN , went right into an NP program, and never stepped foot at bedside....

started as an informatics nurse. Then moved to the middle of nowhere-ville and is in practice seeing patients. Wonky but true. And scary, to say the least.

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Specializes in HH, Peds, Rehab, Clinical.

Actually, I'm not sure WHAT OP was looking for. I can't help but notice s/he hasn't bothered to come back

We are all equally astounded by nurses who don't seem to comprehend outcomes vs education. The PP was discussing outcomes data not length of education.

The OP is looking for career advice not a NPvsMD debate.

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Actually, I'm not sure WHAT OP was looking for. I can't help but notice s/he hasn't bothered to come back

Well, given the direction the thread has taken, that's hardly a surprise ...

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Specializes in ICU.
"We should start a new thread and discuss this"

Exactly what part of that makes you think "censor"?

Accelerated typically indicates simply an accelerated timeline: more credits/semester, no summer break, etc.

Using your basketball analogy, who is the best basketball player in the world? Did he play at the college or semi pro level before playing professionally?

Please cite your sources on "most of these people end up jobless".

Again with the cite your sources. Come on. I was responding to the OP, not the silly debate going on between you all. I have a problem with the term Advanced Practice Nurse if you must know. Nobody is advanced practice if they have not practiced. Sorry, I do.

I'm also going to say, that I disagree with the whole NP process based on my own, personal experience. Let me restate. My own personal, experience. I also think there needs to be a distinction between advanced practice nurses and nps. Because not all nps have that experience.

And I won't get into my reasons because you seem to be easily offended and I'm not starting any big debates that most certainly won't be solved by bickering on the Internet. I work with some great Nps. Some great ones. And I will leave it at that. One thing I will say is I feel all Nps devalue themselves monetarily.

By the way, semi-pro basketball? Lol. What I was referring to was even if the person comes straight out if high school to the NBA, more than likely, they have been playing the game and practicing the game since they were very young. So they practiced the game in elementary, junior high, and high school. Those kids spend hours just shooting. I think Kobe spent 5 hours even after he made the nba just focusing on certain shots. One of the exceptions would be Michael Jordan who notoriously was cut from his high school team at one point. There are always exceptions.

I had to explain this concept to my 10 year old recently. He couldn't figure out why one sport came so easily but basketball has been a bigger struggle. I had to explain that he practiced the other sport 10-15 hours a week for several years. He hasn't done that with basketball therefore he's not at that point yet. He was ranked quite high nationally in the other sport.

My sources on the difficult job market for NPs without any experience? Let's call it me. Me who has spoken to many of these new grad NPs and what I have seen on here. It's Nursegirl's own private wealth of vast information. There's your source, cite it if you will. I'm not sure when personal knowledge of a subject became a bad thing? I agree it's not the scientific method, but really, is a healthy debate on AN the scientific method? Doubtful.

Look, I get you are an NP and are highly protective of that title you worked hard for. I get that. But you have to agree in the tiniest sense that the system for NPs is a little flawed. Call everyone that gets that degree an NP, but don't give them the Advanced Practice title. Because without a few years of bedside and actually working with patients under your belt, your not.

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