A Few Words from Dr. Anthony Fauci

This article is based on excerpts from an interview with Dr. Fauci on November 16, 2020, for the annual meeting of the American Medical Informatics Association. Nurses COVID Article

A Few Words from Dr. Anthony Fauci

Dr. Fauci is a world-renowned physician. As the head of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases, he is an expert on the COVID-19 pandemic. He has served the American public for over 50 years, working with the National Institutes of Health. He was recently named Honorary Fellow of the American Academy of Nursing. “This distinction is only given to top health leaders who have demonstrated a firm commitment to nursing and to transforming health policy.” (American Academy of Nursing, August 2020)

This week, he was interviewed for the American Medical Informatics Association’s (AMIA) annual meeting which took place online. He was interviewed by the head of the National Library of Medicine, Dr. Patricia Flatley Brennan, and the AMIA President, Dr. Eneida Mendonca. 

Here are some of the comments excerpted from the interview: 

(Not verbatim quotes)

1.  What stands out to you about COVID-19?

This outbreak is like none other. Our country and the world has been threatened by several pandemics: 1918, 1957, 1968, 2009, Ebola, Zika. Pandemics happen. But no other virus has behaved like this one. 40% of those who contract it are asymptomatic. Of those with symptoms, 80% recover without medical intervention. But then there are the 15-20% who get sick enough to need treatment and some die. We simply need more data to understand this disease better. 

It is important that we follow those who have been sick long term so that we understand the long-term effects of COVID-19. Why is it that some people stay sick for a long time? We need to know more about that and pursue an understanding of the pathophysiology of how the virus affects the human body. It might be that a registry will help us follow patients better long term. 

2.  What do we need to teach medical professionals that are coming up?

- Be prepared. Pandemics happen.

- Preparation keeps us from chasing after a pandemic which is generally not a good formula for success.

- We need to work to understand the role of science in public health. Science will ultimately help us get out by helping us understand the pathophysiology and by discovering a vaccine.

- Teach science as early as you can. For those who have the inclination, it is so exciting to study science that it is almost love at first sight. Maybe learning science early is like learning a second language early, If young people are so inclined, they get smitten.

3.  How do you do research during a pandemic?

We must continue to do research because we have to be careful to do more good than harm. Research and double-blind, case-controlled studies can protect us all. Randomized case-controlled trials are the ethically sound way to get to answers. 

When we first heard about COVID-19, it was January 9, 2020. On January 10, we talked with Moderna and now they have the vaccine that is 94% effective. We are very happy about that. We would have been happy with 75% but we got 94%! Ten years ago, it would have taken 3 years to get a vaccine. But because of the technology and research we were already doing, that was already in place, we were able to come out with a vaccine so quickly. Genomic epidemiology helped us trace the origin of the virus that hit New York back to Europe and Italy. Because of science, we knew where to focus our efforts. 

4.  What are some challenges that we face?

We need to rebuild our public health system.

We need to strengthen the global health surveillance systems that are interconnected and transparent to the world. One thing is for sure: microbes will emerge. 75% of those that afflict humans are zoonotic ( transmitted to humans from animals). We cannot prevent that but we can be ready.

5.  How do we combat the mistrust of science?

We must be:

  • Transparent
  • Consistent
  • Honest—like apple pie and motherhood.

What is harmful is something called “false equivalencies.” For example, back when we were working on HIV, a group of scientists and Berkeley came out saying that AIDS was not caused by HIV but by behavior. Because they had credentials, it sounded like they knew what they were talking about but they were wrong. We were speaking the truth. People hearing both sides in the news were confused.  This is hard.

6.  How do we help people understand the safety and efficacy of the vaccine?

This is an important point. The public needs to understand that the system to approve vaccines cannot be manipulated by business. It is impossible. The data are analyzed independently. It is not beholden to ANYONE. Statisticians look at it and either stop or declare it effective. It is really important to understand that there is no way for a company to manipulate this part of the process. There is also an advisory committee to the FDA. After that all the data is open to the public so that scientists can examine it. The idea that we can “sneak” something through is an impossibility. 

The speed did not compromise reliability. It reflects the new technology and the amount of money we put into it. We were doing things in parallel as opposed to sequentially. Normally, you prove it works before you produce. In this case, we took a financial risk and vaccines started production while still in the process of approval. This is because, as a society, we decided it was important enough to do it this way. 

7.  What are the take-home messages?

- Wear a mask. Do the common sense things to protect yourself and others.

- Wash your hands, stay at a safe distance, don’t gather in groups.

- Skip large groupings this year. We have exciting, impressive vaccine data. Help is on the way but the cavalry is not here yet. We need to take this knowledge and let it motivate us to stay the course. This is not the time for people to travel to large family gatherings. This is a tough time. 

- Small gatherings this year so 2021 will be a great year!

Help is on the way but the cavalry is not here yet.  Anthony Fauci

Specializes in NICU, PICU, Transport, L&D, Hospice.
On 11/21/2020 at 4:10 PM, cynical-RN said:

You think Dr. Fauci is beyond questioning if a serious inquiry was set up? What's with this unthinking hero worshiping? Nobody is beyond questioning. Accountability starts by answering what went wrong and what could have been done to improve the situation.

Hero worshiping? Where did I even imply that he is beyond questioning? 

Why is this individual member of the task force being singled out as an example of someone who should be held accountable for mismanagement of the federal pandemic response? Why is Dr Fauci the focus of your concern?

On 11/21/2020 at 5:05 PM, toomuchbaloney said:

Hero worshiping? Where did I even imply that he is beyond questioning? 

Why is this individual member of the task force being singled out as an example of someone who should be held accountable for mismanagement of the federal pandemic response? Why is Dr Fauci the focus of your concern?

I explicitly said that nobody is beyond questioning. Therefore, I am not singling out Dr. Fauci.

why shouldn't Dr. Fauci be questioned by a commission of inquiry related to the mismanagement of Covid19 and its mitigation? 

The disease exists. The response was complete blown out of proportion to suit a political goal. And continues to be. And they depend on their useful idiots to obey and comply. Laughable. The only places that had issues were those that created then and then fanned the flames. 

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17 minutes ago, cynical-RN said:

why shouldn't Dr. Fauci be questioned by a commission of inquiry related to the mismanagement of Covid19 and its mitigation? 

Please quote where I said he shouldn't be.  My question remains...why him specifically and what are the standards used to measure his public remarks as compared to other members of the team? What should that accountability look like? Trump said he was going to fire Fauci after the election right? Can he do that? Would that be appropriate accountability, in your opinion, for his perceived transgressions?

Why would Fauci be held accountable for the mismanagement of the pandemic response when that wasn't his role? 

Specializes in NICU, PICU, Transport, L&D, Hospice.
On 11/21/2020 at 6:06 PM, ICU/EMTP said:

The disease exists. The response was complete blown out of proportion to suit a political goal. And continues to be. And they depend on their useful idiots to obey and comply. Laughable. The only places that had issues were those that created then and then fanned the flames. 

Which response was blown out of proportion? Which political goal was pursued by which action?

During a global pandemic that is generally best managed by widespread use of masks and social distancing, which folks look like useful idiots? The people calling this fauxvid or not masking, or the people practicing the mitigation strategies and listening to the public health professionals? Laughable indeed. 

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1 hour ago, toomuchbaloney said:

Please quote where I said he shouldn't be.  My question remains...why him specifically and what are the standards used to measure his public remarks as compared to other members of the team? What should that accountability look like? Trump said he was going to fire Fauci after the election right? Can he do that? Would that be appropriate accountability, in your opinion, for his perceived transgressions?

Why would Fauci be held accountable for the mismanagement of the pandemic response when that wasn't his role? 

If Dr. Fauci is questioned by a commission of inquiry and leads to lessons being learned on how to mitigate such a pandemic in the future then that is part of being held accountable. Similar to how Mark Zuckerberg has to go before house committees to answer I.e be held accountable when there are discrepancies, dereliction of duty, or security of public being jeopardized. I do not understand what you are struggling to understand. 

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15 minutes ago, cynical-RN said:

If Dr. Fauci is questioned by a commission of inquiry and leads to lessons being learned on how to mitigate such a pandemic in the future then that is part of being held accountable. Similar to how Mark Zuckerberg has to go before house committees to answer I.e be held accountable when there are discrepancies, dereliction of duty, or security of public being jeopardized. I do not understand what you are struggling to understand. 

So not an inquiry into holding him specifically accountable for mismanagement, as you previously suggested but a general inquiry? Do you think that Dr Fauci has a role in the task force that is comparable to Zuckerberg's role in FB? 

Why, is Fauci's name the one that comes to your mind when you consider that there may have been discrepancies, dereliction of duty or jeopardizing public security in the federal pandemic response? 

15 minutes ago, toomuchbaloney said:

So not an inquiry into holding him specifically accountable for mismanagement, as you previously suggested but a general inquiry? Do you think that Dr Fauci has a role in the task force that is comparable to Zuckerberg's role in FB? 

Why, is Fauci's name the one that comes to your mind when you consider that there may have been discrepancies, dereliction of duty or jeopardizing public security in the federal pandemic response? 

There is a plethora of logical fallacies in your rhetorical retorts masqueraded as questions. Lets address a few.

1. Red herring: 

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Do you think that Dr Fauci has a role in the task force that is comparable to Zuckerberg's role in FB?

I brought that as an example to help elaborate that questioning someone in such a position might yield some results, some of which could come from the wisdom of their expertise. How is the comparison you inferred relative to position relevant? They hold dissimilar and disparate positions. 

2. Non-sequitur 

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So not an inquiry into holding him specifically accountable for mismanagement, as you previously suggested but a general inquiry?

If he is questioned, and the inquiry deems that he was indeed incompetent and/or negligent, then as previously stated, he must face the appropriate music. 

3. Strawman

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Why, is Fauci's name the one that comes to your mind when you consider that there may have been discrepancies, dereliction of duty or jeopardizing public security in the federal pandemic response? 

Because this thread is about Dr. Fauci. If you are interested in a discussion of holding other people accountable relative to mismanagement, dereliction of duty, incompetence, ineptitude etc. start a thread and we can engage, but do not distract the topic at hand with inferences of other persons who are not the subject of discussion herein. 

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On 11/17/2020 at 4:52 PM, Cynical-RN said:

I wonder why he downplayed the role of masks around January and February. Compared to the administration he’s done better, but that’s a low barometer

JUN 12, 2020 Why Weren’t We Wearing Masks From the Beginning? Dr. Fauci Explains

…   Why weren't we told to wear masks in the beginning?

"Well, the reason for that is that we were concerned. The public health community, and many people were saying they were concerned that it was at a time when personal protective equipment, including the N95 masks and the surgical masks, were in very short supply. And we wanted to make sure that the people namely, the health care workers, who were brave enough to put themselves in harms way, to take care of people who were infected with the coronavirus and the danger of them getting infected."…

…   "Masks are not 100% protective. However, they certainly are better than not wearing a mask. Both to prevent you, if you happen to be a person who may feel well, but has an asymptomatic infection that you don't even know about, to prevent you from infecting someone else," said Fauci. "But also, it can protect you a certain degree, not a hundred percent, in protecting you from getting infected from someone who, either is breathing, or coughing, or sneezing, or singing or whatever it is in which the droplets or the aerosols go out. So masks work."…

https://www.thestreet.com/video/Dr-fauci-masks-changing-directive-coronavirus 

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The first disease Dr. Fauci discovered a cure for was vasculitis—an inflammation of the blood cells that often occurs when the body’s immune system mistakenly attacks its own blood vessels. vasculitis patients suffered from rare inflammatory diseases, such as granulomatosis with polyangiitis, which damages blood vessels in the lungs, kidneys, and other organs. The disease was almost always fatal until he discovered how to treat it.

Dr.Fauci [and his team] followed by discovering treatments for lupus, rheumatoid arthritis, and transplant rejection. My sister-in-law, now in her 90s, developed Lupus in her teens. Thanks' to Dr. Fauci's discoveries she is an active lady volunteering at a food bank and at her church helping younger people deal with the "Virtual Church Service" technology. Her mother died of lupus at age 54.

I recently heard Magic Johnson say on TV, "I would have been dead long ago if not for Dr. Fauci."

https://www.niaid.nih.gov/about/anthony-s-fauci-md-bio