A&P prof's inappropriate response to request for alternative to animal dissection

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I am taking online A&P II at a community college. The course includes a lab component, though lab is not a requirement for the nursing program to which I have been admitted. I am not squeamish (used to be an EMT), nor do I oppose human cadaver dissection. I do, however, object to animal dissection for ethical reasons. I contacted my professor to request an alternative to the cow eye and heart dissection activities citing my ethical objection to animal dissection, and the fact that I haven't eaten or worn animals for over two decades. I expressed my willingness to engage in an alternate activity, such as an interactive, multimedia software program (we already utilize such software to conduct experiments on virtual lab animals). My request was denied. I was informed that if I chose not to do the dissections, I would be penalized with a deduction in points.

In response to my e-mail asking my professor to reconsider, I received the following reply (excerpt):

Would you tell someone who is badly mangled in a auto accident and bleeding to death that you cannot work on them because you are a vegetarian? I would hope not. If so, then you should choose another career.

My professor also called my ethical opposition to animal dissection into question with the following statement:

I understand being a vegetarian but this assignment does not require you to eat these animal specimens.

I found his message to be inappropriate, offensive, and ridiculous. I would like to obtain some outside perspective and would appreciate any comments you may have about this situation. Thanks.

Specializes in ICU, Tele,.

You will find that in Nursing: there will be A LOT of things that you don't want to do, but in order to move on to the next thing you just have to do it and get it over with. That's why I still love and refer to that old Nike slogan: "Just Do It" The time you spend complaining, discussing technicalities, and putting all your personal beliefs and opinions into a situation - it takes longer and makes the issue bigger than it needs to be. Patients will do a lot of things you don't agree with, it's not up to a Nurse to be judgemental, you just care for them and do your best. If you can't do that, maybe the professor's right, you might want to choose another area of the profression that is non-clinical. GOOD LUCK !

She's not saying an animal life is more important than a human life. That is you interpreting her statement. Being ok with dissecting a body that was voluntarily given to science----that person made the choice and wanted their body to be used for science is different than using an animal. Different people are going to have differing ideas on the uses they believe animals are ok for----but that doesn't mean if you say ethically I don't want to use animals they are saying that animals are greater/better/higher than people.

You will find that in Nursing: there will be A LOT of things that you don't want to do, but in order to move on to the next thing you just have to do it and get it over with. That's why I still love and refer to that old Nike slogan: "Just Do It" The time you spend complaining, discussing technicalities, and putting all your personal beliefs and opinions into a situation - it takes longer and makes the issue bigger than it needs to be. Patients will do a lot of things you don't agree with, it's not up to a Nurse to be judgmental, you just care for them and do your best. If you can't do that, maybe the professor's right, you might want to choose another area of the profression that is non-clinical. GOOD LUCK !

The patient will not ask you to kill a cow, skin it and clothe them in it. They will not ask you to eat meat in order to nourish their bodies. They will not ask you to dissect animals in order to....

This is about ethically being opposed to dissecting animals. It's not about being judgmental ---it's about someone's beliefs about an area that aren't critical to human care. Yes--a personal moral imperative--- not judging what someone else does. It is not about abortion, circumcision, etc.

This doesn't have to do with any nursing duty she would need to perform and she is not judging others!

Specializes in Peds/outpatient FP,derm,allergy/private duty.

People who are saying you can't be a good nurse unless you "feel the real thing" I suppose would turn away 95% of the people trained in CPR who rushed to save them if they were choking or dropped with a cardiac arrest. Maybe they shouldn't get their CPR or BLS card until they drive around with the Fire Department for as long as it takes them to find someone they can resusitate successfully? Ironically, those little head/lung things they use now are far more unrealistic than my good friend Resusa-Annie. :)

And pilots? I'm glad someone brought them into this discussion as they certify and recertify on. . . no, not the real 747 Jumbo Jet, but the simulator!!

OP: I suggest that you find an A&P class that dissects human cadavers.

Opting out of the dissection aspect of the lab doesn't seem fair to the rest of the students in the class. Perhaps some of them would rather deal with a computer simulation than an animal dissection, but they don't have that option.

You can do nothing, be a martyr or be an activist.

Abuse of animals is normal in medical training. I went to vet school and objected to how animal doctors abused their test subjects. In a pre-vet course, students were instructed to rape a ram with an "anal electro-ejaculator" to get a sperm sample. Vet students do a lot of cruel things to get their medical degree.

So you can certainly do nothing and try to blend in, get your license, and try to forget about it. You can be a martyr and quit. Your conscience may demand this of you, and I wouldn't criticize you if you did. I've quit plenty of jobs that were not as they first seemed. Or you can be an activist about it. Research your school's rules on conscientious objections. Research your state's laws as well. The department head might be sympathetic or antagonistic to your opinion. He or she may hurt or help you. If the teacher is that unthinking, the dept. head may be as well. So first learn your rights, then you can more potently bring your objection to the teacher or school administration.

The world only improves when people take action to improve it. It never improves when people wait to see what will happen. Selfishly, I hope you take the activist route. Whatever you choose, I respect your caring enough about this subject that you raised it with your teacher and now on this forum.

Specializes in Home Care.

So, I wonder what the OP ended up doing? He/she hasn't responded.

Specializes in Clinical Research, Outpt Women's Health.

The point is she does not wish to dissect a dead animal. Doing the dissection is not critical to becoming a good nurse. Therefore she should be allowed to opt out and do some other assignment.

Bringing all the other stuff into the argument just creates a mess.

You can be a fine nurse without ever dissecting a flipping cat. It is just that simple. Those that want to should go ahead and those that do not (for whatever reason) should not have to.

If you don't feel comfortable dissecting an animal, you may need to find another kind of occupation. Dissecting an animal is a lot easier than some of the things you will have to do with people. I feel your instructor was right on target.

Specializes in Clinical Research, Outpt Women's Health.
If you don't feel comfortable dissecting an animal, you may need to find another kind of occupation. Dissecting an animal is a lot easier than some of the things you will have to do with people. I feel your instructor was right on target.

Ignore this. It is totally wrong OP. You can be a great nurse without dissecting anything. What is wrong with you people?:uhoh3:

I base that on 16 years of nursing after never having dissected squat!

Specializes in Simulation.

Why don't you people get it? It has NOTHING to do with being easy or hard or squeamish. It has to do with ethics. She, as am I, is ethically opposed to animal dissection. Most nursing schools require you to take an ethics course. So you should understand the difference. The OP said she was an EMT. She obviously has NO problems performing the duties of a nurse and I am sure she will make a great nurse.

If you don't feel comfortable dissecting an animal, you may need to find another kind of occupation. Dissecting an animal is a lot easier than some of the things you will have to do with people. I feel your instructor was right on target.
Specializes in Clinical Research, Outpt Women's Health.

Also, I felt the instructors reply was completely inappropriate.

A mature instructor would have asked her to make an appointment to discuss her options.

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