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Insert GIANT eye roll So I am manually entering all of our Kindergarten students into Power School and I catch a student who still needs DTaP #5, MMR/Varivax #2, IPV #4 and ALL Hep B. She has had... Read More

  1. by   TriciaJ
    Quote from lovethejobbut...
    No. I am well aware of what the majority of nurses think about non-vaccinators...it has come across in most of these posts and I've heard plenty at work, and I understand it, but I don't have an opinion myself (comment on that if you will although I'm not sure what you will make of my freedom of choice to not have an opinion about everything)...the point was, there are worse things that happen, and who are we to judge?
    What's worse than large numbers of people dropping like flies from something that can be easily prevented?
  2. by   NutmeggeRN
    Quote from lovethejobbut...
    I think we have to respect their beliefs regardless...people can change their beliefs at any stage of their lives, it's one of the things about living in a nation where we have freedom of choice, and those choices are not categorized or judged according to my belief system or anybody else's. There are worse things that cause problems in greater numbers than these non-vaccinators....driving in an alcoholic stupor, violent drug fueled violence, to name only two.
    But, in our role as the school nurse, WE are the front line of public health. We are responsible for protecting our kids from being exposed. The rising number of kids who are not vaccinated puts the rest of the population at risk. It will eventually decrease herd immunity. I have had kids with NO immune system, agammaglobulinemia and others with copmpromised immunity related to chemotherapy, Please tell me how their health is not important? Anyone can pick up an illness anywhere. We all know that. But these kids are together for a majority of their day. Bringing in unimmunized children, puts other kids at risk.
  3. by   OldDude
    Quote from lovethejobbut...
    No. I am well aware of what the majority of nurses think about non-vaccinators...it has come across in most of these posts and I've heard plenty at work, and I understand it, but I don't have an opinion myself (comment on that if you will although I'm not sure what you will make of my freedom of choice to not have an opinion about everything)...the point was, there are worse things that happen, and who are we to judge?
    I think you are confusing opinion and judgement. I have an opinion about everything at various levels of importance to me - you do too. If that opinion develops into some sort of "action" it becomes judgement. Like it is the opinion of society that driving drunk is wrong; hence those violating that opinion get judged and some action occurs.

    We are sharing our opinion here - we are not judging anyone.
  4. by   Cas1in72
    Im in the middle school ( 6-8 grades) almost all of my "religious exemptions" are like this.
  5. by   ohiobobcat
    I have a religious exemption that starts out "Our God is a sovereign God and He is the healer of all disease."

    I truly don't care what religion you are, but I .... I just can't with this one. If your kid gets pertussis and dies, does that mean you didn't pray hard enough?
  6. by   debbii
    I actually think that by the tone of many of these comments here people are both sharing their opinions and judging people. I doubt you can have an 'opinion', express it in the manner of many of these posts, and not have that overflow into judging the people you are talking about.
  7. by   OldDude
    Quote from debbii
    I actually think that by the tone of many of these comments here people are both sharing their opinions and judging people. I doubt you can have an 'opinion', express it in the manner of many of these posts, and not have that overflow into judging the people you are talking about.
    I can agree with this. I think that what often sullies a thread is the commentor doesn't understand the environment and context; in this case, school nursing. For example, I couldn't possibly understand the context of Ob/Gyn postings so I would be reluctant to offer an opinion of something I would be ignorant of or not have experience with.
  8. by   JenTheSchoolRN
    Quote from OldDude
    I can agree with this. I think that what often sullies a thread is the commentor doesn't understand the environment and context; in this case, school nursing. For example, I couldn't possibly understand the context of Ob/Gyn postings so I would be reluctant to offer an opinion of something I would be ignorant of or not have experience with.
    OD speaks the truth. We are school nurses and health for the children in the schools we manage is our #1 priority. This includes management of immunization records to help prevent outbreaks of certain illnesses in schools.

    From our point of view, it can be frustrating finding out, for example, a student has the measles. The measles is spread very, very easily. 90% of people who are exposed to and not immune/vaccinated will get it (Source: CDC). That could mean, for example, we have 11 children not up to date on their MMR vaccine in our school. One of those students comes in with the measles and suddenly 9/10 non-vaccinated children gets the measles. Luckily, non of them suffer any long term effects, but they miss several days of school, impacting their learning and perhaps for even a couple of them it means they fail a few classes and repeat the grade. That didn't need to happen. And that is what is frustrating for me. Perhaps it is a basis, yes. But protecting children's health in school is my job and vaccines are a way this can happen.
  9. by   llg
    Quote from No Stars In My Eyes
    She even wants to stop taking her Thyroid med because something in it comes from animals.

    Thank you for allowing me to vent; I now return you to your regular school-nurse thread!
    If she really needs that thyroid med, she'll eventually feel really terrible without it and maybe that will get her to reconsider her stance on that one.

    I can empathize about the sister issue. I've had some similar issues with my sister.
  10. by   Ree250k
    Quote from MHDNURSE
    Insert GIANT eye roll

    So I am manually entering all of our Kindergarten students into Power School and I catch a student who still needs DTaP #5, MMR/Varivax #2, IPV #4 and ALL Hep B. She has had all the other vaccines up until the 15 month shots. So I just called the mother to ask if perhaps the records she gave me were incomplete (child had a full physical in March and many times the clinics will not note the vaccines the child was given that same day). She says "Oh, we no longer vaccinate for religious reasons" So she has had every other vaccine up until the boosters and suddenly their religious beliefs prevent them from completing the series. Give me an everloving break.
    They JUST found religion! Seriously, I know what you mean, I've seen it several times also! Ridiculous, I think it's more like lazy parenting.
  11. by   Cas1in72
    I have to agree with OD 100%. I was a hospital based nurse, in OB/PEDS for 19 years before becoming a school nurse. NEVER in a million years would I have thought it would be as hard ( or as rewarding) as it is. While these posts may sound biased or judgmental, there is a lot of "gray area" for people outside of the specialty. I think what isnt explained, is the frustration when one week a parent is claiming religious exemption, the next gets their shots, or on Tuesday has a MD sign that little Johhny is gluten allergic, but on Wednesday he hates what the school is feeding him so Mom wants us to "cancel" the allergy. Its the flip flop frustration , Im guessing, that makes us sound judgmental. I will say that it does frustrate me when a parent believes that their child is somehow more important than others. I am a parent of 3 children, they are my world. I get we love our kids and sometimes cant think beyond that. I have concerns for my immune-compromised kids, I have concerns for the kids that aren't vaccinated. I have 700+ kids I am responsible for on a daily basis. I believe people have the right to say "No" Just dont flip-flop, stand on your convictions.
  12. by   Ree250k
    In TN you can write a religious exempt on a napkin,heck we'll even accept it with coffee stains on it! SHM
  13. by   No Stars In My Eyes
    Quote from OldDude
    I can agree with this. I think that what often sullies a thread is the commentor doesn't understand the environment and context; in this case, school nursing. For example, I couldn't possibly understand the context of Ob/Gyn postings so I would be reluctant to offer an opinion of something I would be ignorant of or not have experience with.
    Not meaning to sully with my fairly off-topic post. . . sorry for the interjection.

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