SICK of BSN Pedestal - page 15

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Get off the Pedestal with the whole BSN vs ADN thing. A fact this is overlooked is that ADN does the same job as BSN and passes the NCLEX. Everyone then cried ADN is uneducated blah blah. WHY dont we look at the 4 year... Read More


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    Quote from BrandonLPN
    Hmmm, well, people who watch sunny boo-boo (or whatever it is) and who think Hard Copy or their Yahoo! Home page are adequate news sources *probably* aren't the type who would benefit from higher education in the first place.


    The bulk of the population is uncultured and uninformed. It's always been that way and it always will be.

    And you don't necessarily need a college education to be "enlightened". I have no post secondary education beyond practical nursing, but I consider myself to be fairly well read and enlightened. I listen to NPR. I watch PBS. I have a subscription to a couple literary journals and have the sunday NewYork Times delivered. Much of what one would describe as cultured or enlightened is simply lifestyle choices. One *chooses* whether or not to be informed.


    There's a need for higher education, of course. But for the vast, vast majority education is simply the means to an end. For most people, any higher education that doesn't directly result in gainful employment is, indeed, "wasted". It's time to stop being naive about this.

    Brandon:

    I'm my mid 60's and remember when "average" was competent. A high school graduate in the business program was ready to go to work as a gainful employee. No more. We've become such a nation of dummies that well more than 50% of the population is below average. I would never judge "enlightment" by a person's education or job. Any educational status one achieves is just a beginning. After that, your an auto-didact or you're not. I'm only saything if the employer starts to demand a BSN, one had better get ready and that all the anti-education postings on AN don't speak well for nursing.
    Also, I hate the New York Times and I'm a registered Democrat!
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    I'd rather go for ADN. I can deal with another two years opposed to 4. That's just me lol
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    Quote from FaithGurl93
    I'd rather go for ADN. I can deal with another two years opposed to 4. That's just me lol
    Good for you or good for the patient?
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    Quote from BostonFNP
    Good for you or good for the patient?
    Both. Everybody has their limit. I'M SPEAKING FOR MYSELF. If I were to try and go for BSN I'd come out frustrated angry nurse which would mess up the care I would have to give to the patients. SPEAKING FOR MYSELF. And from reading the post it seems that BSN is for those who intend to have more of a leadership role. I'm fine with the bedside care. I just love to help people. I don't believe that I have to go four years to be a good nurse.
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    Quote from Anoetos
    Because your experience with one nurse's incompetence necessarily implies a deficit on the part of a whole group.?

    When we do this sort of thing with skin color or religion it's called bigotry.
    Because that's exactly what they said.
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    Quote from kalevra

    Let us unite and set one standard for entry.

    Why? Because people with higher degrees "make the rules?"

    North Dakota tried it. Worked out well for 'em.
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    I still don't understand why any current nurse wouldn't want the educational bar raised for entry into the profession.

    I also don't understand, given that most ADN programs are close to (if not equal to) bachelor education in other professions, why current/future ADN students wouldn't want to a bachelor's degree for their work rather than an associate's degree.
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    Quote from redhead_NURSE98!
    Why? Because people with higher degrees "make the rules?"

    North Dakota tried it. Worked out well for 'em.
    Because setting one education standard for entry makes sense. It would squash all this in fighting so we can move on to more important matters.

    I bet there were a bunch of people that hated the idea of one standardized national Licensure test. Today we have the NCLEX, so why can't we have a standardized education for initial entry?
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    Quote from Anoetos
    As long as the perception is that all nurses do is wipe butts, pass meds, carry out orders and chart, it's not likely to change.
    As long as we keep pulling each other back in the barrel, things are not likely to change.
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    Quote from kalevra
    As long as we keep pulling each other back in the barrel, things are not likely to change.
    Yes, I was talking about our self-perception.
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