Job market- ADN students being warned? - page 5
Ok so I oriented a 4th semester nursing student from the local community college last week and this was for her "trends" class. I work in a state facility for DD population. We got to talking and she of course wants to work in... Read More
- 1Mar 9, '13 by Nurse_, BSN, RNThe job market is tough... in both ADNs and BSNs.
Is is ok to warn students? Yes. Should you take it at heart? Maybe. It's like having a "dead end sign" at the beginning of the street. It's up to you to continue on, make a U-turn or make your own road.
The goal is to be competitive. If you are an ADN then be the most marketable ADN there is. Get all the certifications you can, have a flexible attitude and be a nurse other nurses would want to work with. Because at the end of the day, you can only prepare... it's still up to the hiring managers and you have to be the best prepared so that they'll have no other choice but to hire you.
- 0Mar 10, '13 by MurseMike33322My 2 cents: Many nurses WANT to retire, absolutely! They saved all thier lives and were expecting to live off the interest on thier savings. Then the Housing crisis (among other variables) in 2008 forced the Federal Reserve to lower the interest rates even lower than they were in 2001 after 9/11. So, interest rates tumbled from 7%, to 5, to 4, to 3, to 2%, to, well, look at the websites of your banks and tell me what they are now. My bank is BofA, and right now they offer anywhere from .01% to .2%. Can someone live off that? Well, with the current rate of inflation, absolutely NOT! So they keep working, and working, and working....
I think that is the most pertinent factor driving the current nursing employment situation. I predict when interest rates rise, to about 5%'ish, there will be a CRITICAL shortage as many nurses will finally be able to retire. So there is hope. This is good news for students that will graduate in 14' or 15', but very frustrating news for recent grads. However, I have 3 friends, 2 in NY and 1 in FL, that graduated last year, and ALL are working. And making a very decent salary. So keep positive, then all things will become positive
- 1Mar 10, '13 by WhereIsMyCallBellI would have to say when I graduated in 2006. Our class was a bit mislead to believe there was this huge nursing shortage and we'd have no problem landing jobs of our choosing because they prepared us so well. Yes, it is a good school with an excellent reputation for turning out good, solid nurses upon graduation. The reality is, in this economy (at leat in my rural area) there has not been any nursing shortage that I have encountered. If there is any kind of shortage, it's because nurses are expected to do the work of 2 people. They are getting burnt out and leaving the profession. Again, it goes back to the economy and the almighty dollar. That's what it's about anymore. Not good, ethical nursing care. I went into nursing with my whole heart and it is slowly breaking.
- 1Mar 10, '13 by GeslinaNO, I do not think they are being warned. At least they were not a few years ago when I was in school, not sure about today. I live in an area where finding a job is VERY hard (northeast) due to the high population, and the high number of schools in the area flooding the market with new nurses. It has gotten to the point where it isn't just the new grads having trouble - even experienced nurses are out of work. I feel VERY lucky to have a job.
While I don't think the schools are responsible for telling new students about the reality of the job market right now, I do think they have a moral obligation to be honest about it if asked. We are all adults, anyone considering a career right now should be going online, asking around, finding out what the job market is before they decide.
- 5Mar 10, '13 by newbieRN1I am a ADN holding nurse who graduated august 2010. At the time I needed to work as soon as possible so I chose the associates route. In my area there are a ton of nursing schools all pumping out bright eager nurses. I heard all the horror stories, but decided to remain positive. Two weeks after passing the nclex I accepted an position at a nursing home. Not my ideal work setting, but it got my foot in the door. One month after that I accepted an position 3hours from family and friends to work on the med surg unit in a small rural hospital. I took it, used some saved money to sleep in a hotel room until I found an apartment. One year later I finally was offered a position in Labor and Delivery. Every choice I made helped take me to the next step. If one is willing to be flexible, I believe you will end up where you want to be. Oh, and despite not having a bachelor's degree once I had experience It was not a huge issue. Although I do plan on going back for it in the fall
Quote: Don't let life push you into being the adult you don't want to be. Keep pushing ahead!
- 0Mar 10, '13 by DSkelton711Quote from PnutButterJellyNot at the same time--100-120 per YEAR. So that is about average. I read it thinking at the same time as well, but reread it because it sounded like a factory. My nursing school was the same when I graduated--100% pass NCLEX and 100% jobs. That was many years ago, though!That is a lot of new grads. My class will be graduating with 23 people in a few short weeks. I guess it just depends on the area. I would imagine it would be hard for 100-200 people to find jobs at the same time in any area though. Are you the only nursing school in the area?
- 1Mar 10, '13 by Twinmom06, ASN, RNWe have 15 nursing schools in a 3 hour radius of where I live...Not sure about the size of the classes in many of them but we have 43 graduating on 5/3....10 of us have already gotten hired in the same hospital - a large system with 5 hospitals in NE PA...there is also another hospital system - for profit but still decent...they are ALL hiring...its not really "rural" per se...they're having job fairs and offering signing bonuses to nurses with 6 months of experience...
some areas are hiring...I've got a job waiting for me - start on 6/10
- 0Mar 10, '13 by ProfRN4Quote from hope3456Unfortunately the numbers are not accurate, because we have to depend on graduate and follow up surveys (which historically do not get a high return rate).ProfRN- how do you accurately know how many students got jobs? That is interesting - I didn't know that about accreditation.
- 1Mar 10, '13 by MrChicagoRNQuote from TakeTwoAspirinActually, they are required to report current graduate placement rates: http://nces.ed.gov/npec/data/Calcula...ound_Paper.pdfCall me crazy, but I honestly don't think it's the school's job to warn students about potential job markets years down the road. Nobody knows what the job market will be like 2 or 4 years from now. When selecting an academic pursuit it is up to the individual to do their own research and make a decision based on their own desires, academic goals, financial limits, and research about potential job markets once they graduate. The schools have no control over the job market, nor are they able to predict the future. The same principle applies to education as it does for any large purchase - buyer beware!
While they cant predict the future, they can report recent history, as well as current trends. I feel that if an institution is asking you to spend several years, and 10's of thousands of dollars, they do have an obligation to be truthful.
- 4Mar 10, '13 by PMFB-RNQuote from MurseMike33322*** Naw, can't happen. I don't disagree that if conditions improve many nurse will retire and there will be more nurse jobs open. Many open jobs will result in nurses pay, benifits and working conditions improving. However that is no indication of a shortage of nurses. My state pumps out enough RN grads every 5-6 years to fill every RN position in the state. That means there are a LOT nurses not working as nurses. There has been, and continues to be, an over production of nurses.I predict when interest rates rise, to about 5%'ish, there will be a CRITICAL shortage as many nurses will finally be able to retire. So there is hope. This is good news for students that will graduate in 14' or 15', but very frustrating news for recent grads.
I think an even bigger factor than nurses retirment is the large number of nurses who are working full time who would much prefer to be part time. IN 2008 nearly every open position in my hospital was filled overnight by part timers going full time. Mostly had to do with some larg emolyers in the area laying people off and cutting back hours so the nurse wives picked up the slack.