Job market- ADN students being warned? - page 5
Ok so I oriented a 4th semester nursing student from the local community college last week and this was for her "trends" class. I work in a state facility for DD population. We got to talking and... Read More
Mar 11, '13You are right Joanna. That is why the accelerated BSN program in my state received 300+ applicants for 20 spots this go around. Based in this thread iT sounds like alot of schools do inform students about job market difficulties and apparently that varies with where you live or are willing to live. I spoke with another girl interested in nursing school last night and I told her to check out this site to come to her own decision if it was right for her.
And for all of you about to start your first job - best of luck. Commonly, a couple months into that is when it is realized "why" hospitals have staffing problems and it is not because there aren't nurses.Last edit by hope3456 on Mar 11, '13
Mar 11, '13Ha! I guess that makes me a battleaxed crusty old bat!!!! You betcha!!!Last edit by NutmeggeRN on Mar 11, '13 : Reason: typo
Mar 11, '13Quote from woobie8504What states are y'all working in? I'm currently a LVN in TX and am enrolled for courses to complete my ADN. I have some experience and will be working PRN/PT through school so it shouldn't be so hard to find a job when I get done. I feel like starting at LVN is going to work out well IMO because it is much easier to get a job as an LVN (you may have to start out in LTC, but it teaches time management and you get to use a lot of skills depending on the facility). Therefore I will have experience behind me when I start looking for a job as a RN. I think as the Obamacare plan rolls out we will see the demand in nursing increase since they are expecting an influx of new patients who were not previously insured.
Um, I think you might be surprised. The trend I have noticed so far has been to decrease staffing because of the repayment issues. If hospitals are making less money they can afford to hire less staff. I hope you are right, but fear you will be wrong...
Mar 11, '13Elderly patients are going to be allotted fewer medical procedures and hospitalizations under obamacare/Medicare. I suspect demand for "floor nurses" will decrease and most of the demand will be with home health type positions in the near future.
Mar 11, '13Hanging on by one good talon? Love it and will have to use it soon. Sometimes I feel like I'm hanging on by a talon.
Mar 14, '13Quote from hope3456If you dig deep into the latest federal employment/jobs report it seems things are trending that way.Elderly patients are going to be allotted fewer medical procedures and hospitalizations under obamacare/Medicare. I suspect demand for "floor nurses" will decrease and most of the demand will be with home health type positions in the near future.
Yes, healthcare is one of the few growth sector in the US economy ATM, however when the numbers are broken down as to where the jobs are it is clear more UAP/tech/home health aid spots are being created than those for nurses. In addition the largest growth areas IIRC are not hospitals but in patient/ambulatory care.
Cannot speak for everywhere but here in NYC most every single hospital/healthcare systems are locked into an arms race to open off site physican affiliated network offices, ambulatory and urgent care offices. For the latter private physican groups are also getting in on the act as well resulting in UC offices opening all over the place. Well at least in Manhattan and or the more wealthier areas of the city where persons either have good insurance and or other means to pay for services.
In the past where healthcare systems here would have opened new hospitals in an area to "poach" patients from an established facility you now see them forgoing that bit and simply opening urgent and or ambulatory care. The most famous (or infamous depending upon which side of the fence you are sitting on) example was the shuttering of Saint Vincent's in The Village to be replaced by (hopefully) an urgent care center on part of the campus run by North Shore-LIJ. Rumor has it when Long Island College Hospital closes the same thing will happen there as well.
For those running healthcare systems the appeal of these sort of places is obvious. First and foremost they require far less staffing of nurses. Depending upon how things are run you can get by with one or maybe two shifts. Or, simply schedule relying upon lots of less than full time staff.
Mar 17, '13We have taken 2 children off to college and a 3rd shopping colleges this spring, while the eldest is shopping graduate schools. Not once has anyone discussed the potential job market for their given proposed majors. Nor frankly, has it occurred to us to ask, lol. I think it is universally understood to be the students' responsibility to investigate such things if they believe them to be important in the decision making process.
I think it is the very definition of entitlement to expect the school to anticipate your questions and provide answers for you, and then to blame them because things didn't turn out the way you had hoped and they failed to anticipate this and somehow warn you that you may not get a fairy tale ending. Astounding really. It is the Universities job to provide the education. The end.
The rest is up to you.
Ever notice when people succeed it is because they worked hard and earned it, but when they fail it is someone else's fault? It is a fascinating cultural phenomenon.
Mar 17, '13Quote from hope3456They are? Such as? Details please, with references.Elderly patients are going to be allotted fewer medical procedures and hospitalizations under obamacare/Medicare. I suspect demand for "floor nurses" will decrease and most of the demand will be with home health type positions in the near future.
Mar 17, '13I got my ADN license Dec 2013 in SC and was offered a job in NC, but I wanted to mover to the west coast (NVAZ/CA). I thought that it would be easy to find a job out here but now I can't even get a hospital to look at my resume. Every hospital in the NV area is not excepting any new grads. must have 6mo + experience. Good luck with everything
Mar 17, '13Quote from hope3456Actually, even private universities are obliged to report their students employment rate. If the Private university falls behind a certain percentage in 3 consecutive years, federal funding (Stafford loans, etc.) are withdrawn.ProfRN- how do you accurately know how many students got jobs? That is interesting - I didn't know that about accreditation.
This was placed when For-Profit Universities (such as University of Phoenix, etc.) became popular. However, the original proposed law, that was much stricter, was reduced to almost nothing. This is the reason why universities ask their students to report their jobs as soon as they get it.
As for hospitals preferring BSNs, don't be too sure...
My friend who graduated two years ago with an ADN, didn't have any experience, beat out 60 candidates to be a NICU nurse in a Level 1 Peds Trauma center.
So it's really just luck and determination to keep on going.
Mar 17, '13I agree with many points here...that prospective nursing students do need to research the field before paying thousands to become an RN/LPN but at the same time schools do need to stop hawking the nursing shortage bit. I understand they are not going to tell you to your face that the job outlook is grim right now but they also do not need to say your a nurse so a job will be as easy as pie. I have seen a pick up of job openings in my area lately, recently even job openings stating will train new grads.
I atribute this due to the fact that many auto industries shut down around here at the same time. Many of the workers were given generous severence packages that allowed them to return to school. Out of the 50 people that graduated with me from my LPN class in 2008, nearly half of them were from the plant. Now I am not saying ALL but for many of these people, coming from a unionized job and then entering the world of nursing where its almost the exact opposite of a union job was more than they expected. I know around 8 people who graduated with me, worked for some time, and moved onto to a job more similar to their plant experience rather than continue on in nursing...That's the only random thought I can think of as to why jobs are picking up, schools are still churning out new grads faster than ever, and all the main hospitals are magnet so ADN lisitings are far and few between.
Mar 18, '13Quote from HippyDippyLPN*** YOu say that as if Magnet hospitals can't or don't hire ADN grads. They can and do. It may be true that the hospitals in you area that are Magnet certified choose not to hire ADN grads but there is no reason they couldn't hire ADN grads. Magnet don't prohibit a hospital from hiring ADN grads. Its more a case of the same mentaliety that values Magnet would also be biased aginst ADN grads.all the main hospitals are magnet so ADN lisitings are far and few between.