advantages of BSN vs. ADN - page 5
Hi, considering that I am very new to all of this, I would appreciate any imput from you all. I am just entering my first semester of an ADN program, and would like to go on to the RN to BSN... Read More
Dec 31, '04Quote from zenmanGolly, now could we give that kick in the butt to the nursing boards, the graduate , and the nursing employers? Some of us have a *vast* number of non-nursing courses under our belts--by way of non-nursing bachelor's and master's degrees earned in addition to our nursing education--but because our nursing sheepskins come from diploma schools or ADN programs, we're considered sub-standard and not worthy of respect, transfer credit or progressive employment.I'm not talking about ADN vs BSN. Just giving those that can't figure out the value of non-nursing courses a "Dr. Phil" kick in the butt! But, seeing the quality of any graduate now makes me too scared to get sick! Do you know that universities used to NOT have remedial courses to teach what high school was supposed to teach.
Jan 1, '05Quote from Fun2CareSorry to damge your fragile psyche; I'm just reality focused. Who said anything about trash? Anyone who cannot see the value in non-nursing courses are, in my opinion, not educated enough to know what is going on. No name calling, just facts.Apparently you liked school. Obviously many do not. That doesn't make them uneducated, and I think that is extremely rude of you to say. Your opinions matter, but not your name calling. Just because one doesn't want to take non-nursing courses doesn't mean he or she is trash. I'm just offended by your comment.
Filling the pockets of colleges does not make one professional. You can't use what you learned in history class to save a pt.'s life, and unless you teach history, or go to trial against it , then why should you have to learn it after learning it through out your life in grade school, and high school????
So, you can't figure out how history might make you a better nurse? Lets just say that we get some of the survivors from the recent disaster admitted to your hospital. Would you know about their customs or would you offend the heck out of them? If you had a geography course you might even be aware of where this disaster occurred.
Also, my mother is one of a very few females buyers in a big international helicopter company. She did not graduate from college, in fact only was able to take one class. However, she has been with this company for 20 (?) years, and she is the only buyer without a college education. Do you think because she is uneducated she is incompetent to do her job? Obviously she is very competent! Does that make her not a professional? Is she the only nonprofessional in the professional dept. because she doesn't have her BSN degree? I think not!
People like you that try to belittle others are the reason we all can't get along and act like adults. You are not better than anyone else ADN or BSN!
Oh, BTW...I've never even seen "Dr. Phil". :angryfire
Jan 1, '05Quote from jeepgirli actually did a breakdown of this article and study for my BSN program - my research and theory class. The study was SOOO flawed that I cannot believe it was ever published. The person who designed and coordinated carrying out the whole thing has been pretty much torn to pieces. Rightfully so. The whole thing was slanted from the start (in other words, biased).
Negative propaganda that only hurts our profession. Makes me sick to my stomach!
Well, I'll be!! A perfect example of how a "useless" course can be "useful!"
Jan 1, '05Quote from catladyMy foot is not big enough!Golly, now could we give that kick in the butt to the nursing boards, the graduate, and the nursing employers? Some of us have a *vast* number of non-nursing courses under our belts--by way of non-nursing bachelor's and master's degrees earned in addition to our nursing education--but because our nursing sheepskins come from diploma schools or ADN programs, we're considered sub-standard and not worthy of respect, transfer credit or progressive employment.
Do your other courses give you a different perspective on nursing? Maybe you can address that with some of the others here.
Jan 1, '05The girl in front of me turned to her friend and asked...What does edematous mean and where is the antecubital area?
And that's my 2 cents.
Jan 1, '05Quote from tvccrnWOW i know what all of that means and i haven't had a single nursing class yet!So, an ADN is more likely to kill a patient, huh. Well, when I was in my last semester of college (I'm only an ADN) I attended a mock trial. This is held every year in Dallas, TX for the graduating nursing students in the area and so there were both ADN as well as BSN students there. The BSN students from Baylor University were sitting in front of us and my friends and I heard a lot of comments from them that made us scared for their future patients. But, the one that topped the cake was when it was mentioned that the patient was so edematous that the doctors couldn't get an antecubital IV in and they had to do a cut-down. The girl in front of me turned to her friend and asked...What does edematous mean and where is the antecubital area?
If that's the way they teach BSN students, then I hope any time my family or myself is in the hospital I have an ADN for my nurse.
Jan 1, '05moderator's note:
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thank youLast edit by VickyRN on Jan 1, '05